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1 February 2001, A.S. XXXV Kingdom of Atenveldt

Unto Their Royal Majesties Johnathan and Etain; Lady Isabel d'Avron, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald!

This is the February 2001 internal Atenveldt Letter of Intent. It precedes the external Lol that will contain the following submissions, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. You are encouraged to comment upon these submissions, whatever your experience level. Please have your comments to me on the submissions being considered for the I March Lol by 25 February. I accept online commentary:

Estrella Consultation Table: There will be a Consultation Table at the War, in the Merchants' Area; Mistress Shauna of Carrick Point, the Principal Herald of Artemesia, will be arriving on site on Wednesday, so she's in charge (I guess I ought to tell her :) of the Table, at least until I arrive. I plan to be there for the Friday, Saturday and Sunday shifts, which usually run I 0:00 AM-5:00 PM. (I might not be there on Friday, depending on the whims of the federal jury duty process). Please consider volunteering a few hours at the Table; if your forte' is also in Town Crying volunteer for that important role! (Of course, no one will stop you if you simply must volunteer for both!) If you have witnessed the Table at past years, it can be chaotic, but this doesn't mean that we can't use your hands and skills. Even the newest herald on the block can help.

Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal Lols through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Please let your local populace know about the site, too:

Please consider the following submissions for inclusion in the I March 2001 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Caiterina of Ballyhooly (Sundragon): NEW NAME (see below) and DEVICE

Vert, a hurst offer trees couped within a bordure of trefoils argent.

The blazon for the central charge is taken directly from the Pictorial Dictionary. I am also tending to blazon the peripheral charges as trefoils, as the Pictorial Dictionary suggests that a shamrock's lobes are heart-shaped, not round, like the other "foil" charges. The submitter can probably be a little less generous with the trefoils. Unfortunately, however, this is probably in conflict with Wyndylyn Leanb na Doinneann's badge, Vert, a hurst of blasted birch trees argent. There is I CD for the addition of the trefoils, but I don't know that the blasting of the trees will provide the necessary second CD (I tend to think not). If she were to add a bordure argent charged with trefoils vert, she might also run afoul of Draga Drevo's device, Vert, a hurst of three trees blasted and eradicated, on a bordure argent a vine of ivy vert.; there is likely I CD for the difference in type and number of tertiary charges on the bordure (one vine vs. lots of trefoils), but again, possibly not enough difference between the blasted vs. normal trees. Might she consider dividing the field into two tinctures, such as Per pale vert and sable? (I'm holding this for a month, and thinking about deep philosophical matters of normal trees vs. blasted ones, but please consider that from a distance how the primary charge here would look-would a similar charge of a close group of blasted trees look too similar?)

Ciara inghaen ui Bheithir (Sundragon): NEW NAME (see below) and DEVICE

Paly wavy vert and sable, in pale a dolmen and two unicorns combattant argent.

Unfortunately, the field is in violation with RfS. VIII.2.b.iv. "Elements evenly divided into multiple parts of two different tinctures must have good contrast between their parts. For example, checky argent and gules is acceptable, but checky azure and gules is not." When there is a number of multiple parts to a field (cheeky, pales, bars and the like), strong color contrast is required between the elements so that the field partition is easily seen (in the same way why we could have a field Quarterly vert and sable but not one Gyronny vert and sable-too many small "pieces" make the two tinctures muddy and merge together, rather than staying clear). So, the field must be part dark and part light (e.g., either Paly wavy, vert and Or, or Paly wavy sable and Or.). On the other hand, dividing the field "half and half ' makes it a neutral field, so that the white charges can sit upon it without contrast violation. (If the submitter wishes to use just the three original tinctures, she might consider making the field vert and argent with sable charges, or making the field sable and argent with vert charges). If she likes the wavy treatment of the lines of division, she also might consider Perfess wavy vert and sable (or sable and vert), in pale a dolmen and two unicorns combattant argent; this would maintain the amget charges and prevent obscuring the complex line of division.

Ferghus Maclnnes (Sundragon): NEW NAME

The name is Scottish. The given name is spelled Ferghus on about half of the forms, as Fergus in the other half. According to Black, the Anglicized form appears to be Fergus, while the Scots Gaelic form is Fearghus, and the Middle Gaelic form is Feargus or Fergus (p. 259). Also according to Black, the Anglicized form of the patronymic is Maclnnes, while the Scots Gaelic form is MacAonghuis, "son of Angus" (p. 517), so it seems to keep the more easily-pronounceable spelling of Maclnnes :), the name is probably most accurate as Fergus MacInnes.

Isabeau della Farfalla (Sundragon): NEW BADGE

Per pale embowed and counterembowed gules and azure, an otter rampant argent. The name was registered.

The badge is new (Prism, is the submitter aware that she already has a badge resubmission "owed" to her-for the returned butterfly/dagger badge?). The line of division isn't truly wavy, as is seen with Ciara's armory above, but it can be blazoned as embowed and counterembowed, essentially "counting" the two large waves of the line. Unfortunately, the design runs afoul of RfS VIII.3. "Armorial Identifiability - Elements must be used in a design so as to preserve their individual identifiability. Identifiable elements may be rendered unidentifiable by significant reduction in size, marginal contrast, excessive counterchanging, voiding, or fimbriation, or by being obscured by other elements of the design. For instance, a complex line of partition could be difficult to recognize between two parts of the field that do not have good contrast if most of the line is also covered by charges...... An armorial design that uses to similar-valued tinctures on a field divided by a complex line of division cannot obscure that line with a charge. Using two dark colors for a divided field is fine (Per pale gules and azure ... ), and even making that line of division a complex one is acceptable (Per pale embowed and counterembowed gules and azure ... ). However, because some identifiability is lose with using these dark colors to begin with, the complex line needs to be show as clearly as possible (i.e., unobscured by charges) so that it's apparent that a complex line is there. From any distance, the otter "hides" the line of division, even if it were wavy, embattled, or something else. Using two otters on either side of the line of division solves this problem (but might run into conflict), as would a single otter placed either in dexter or in sinister.

The following submissions were included in the 1 February 2001 Atenveldt Letter of Intent (some of these were included for the external Lol rather than holding them for comment in this Internal Lol):

Caiterina of Ballyhooly (Sundragon): NEW NAME

The name is Irish. Caiterina is found in 0 Corrain and Maguire, p. 45. Ballyhooly is the site of castle ruins in County Cork, Ireland.

Ciara inghaen ui Bheithir (Sundragon): NEW NAME

The name is Irish Gaelic. While Ciara is shown in The Encyclopaedia ofIreland (Allen Figgus, McGraw-Hill, 1968) as a female given name, and while it has been previously registered by the College of Arms as Ciara and Ciara (I don't know why one form uses a diacritical mark), 0 Corrain and Maguire's Irish Names shows the traditional form of this name as Ciar, after St. Ciar, the virgin patroness of Killkeary (p. 5 1). The submitter has made an excellent attempt to render the name fully into Irish (no mean feat!), showing her affiliation with Clan Beithir (this name has been previously registered to Dillon Griffith a'Bheithir, in the SCA Armorial. According to Sharon Krossa's "Quick and Easy Gaelic Names" (, the standard way to form a woman's name using an Irish clan affiliation byname is <single given name> inghean ui<eponymous clan ancestor's name (in genitive case and always lenited)>, which means for the submitter, Ciara daughter of a male descendant of Beithir.

Genevieve de Saint-Cirq-Lapopie (Granite Mountain): NEW NAME and DEVICE (Purpure, a sun Or eclipsed by a moon in her plentitude azure between three compass stars argent.)

James of Leslie (Granite Mountain): NEW NAME and DEVICE (Purpure, a lymphad argent between three compass stars Or, on a chief argent, a cross moline purpure.)

Katheline van Weye (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Quarterly vert andp urpure, a tulip slipped and leaved Or.

The name is Dutch. Katheline is found in " 15th Century Dutch Names," by Sara Friedemann, from a collection of Dutch trade documents, 1422-1534 ( The byname is also found in a listing of Dutch Surnames collated by Friedemann, dating to 1477-81 ( I 5sumames.html). Since the number of elements does not exceed four (this is the usual rule of thumb), the field can be comprised of two dark color as not lose the identifiably of either tincture. While this might be close to Uta Boucht, Azure, a water-lily plant eradicated argent, flowered Or.; there is one CD for the field, and perhaps another for the tincture of the charges, as it seems Uta's plant is half argent (the slip and leaves), and half Or.

Kiara Wrynn of the Bells (Mons Tonitrus): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, 10/20 (Argent, a chevron rompu throughout between two hawk's bells and a cross of four mascles pometty vert.)

Her original submission (Argent, a chevron romputhroughout between two hawk's bells and a cross of four mascles vert pometty purpure.) was returned for demonstrating no examples in period armory of a cross pometty of a different tincture, and for adding the rounders to a type of cross whose outline is rarely if ever further altered-these two alterations made the cross too far from period style to be registerable. We have solved the problem by making the cross completely vert.

The following was held:

Four Mountains, Incipient Shire of the (Chinle, AZ): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, December 2000

Argent, on a bend cotised azure, four mountains couped palewise argent, in sinister chief a laurel wreath vert.

We found no conflicts with either the group name or armory, and although we have payment for both, we still need a POPULACE CONSENT form to send this to Laurel!

The following submissions were registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms at its October 2000 meeting:

Anastasia of Three Oaks. Name and device. Per pale Or and argent, an acorn inverted slipped and leaved proper, a bordure azure.

Atenveldt, Kingdom of. Transfer of heraldic title Sable Plume Pursuivant to the Kingdom of Artemisia.

This was pended from the April 2000, LOAR because there has been no acceptance from Artemisia for the transfer. Such acceptance appeared with the June Artemisia Letter of Intent.

Deirdre of Gaul. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Eowyn Erthton. Name and device. Erminois, in pale two catamounts passant contourny, a bordure rayonny sable.

Eric the Bald. Name and device. Sable, a sledge hammer argent within a bordure rayonny Or.

Erik Kastanrazi. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Gaston Trevoux. Name and device. Per chevron vert and sable, three owls argent.

This is close but clear of Nicole de I'Havre des Chouettes Or, three barn owls [Tyto alba] affronty each perched upon an olive branch all proper. While there is not a CD between an owl close guardant and an owl close affronty, after examining the emblazon of Nicole's device, we decided that her owls were essentially argent winged brown. As we give a CD for changing the tincture of the wings, there is thus a CD for tincture as well as a CD for the change to the field.

Geraint de Grey. Name.

Golda ferch Deiniol. Badge. Argent goutty d'eau, a demi-sun issuant ftom base Or.

lago Gof. Name and device. Or, a bend sinister embattled on the upper edge between two tygers passant contourny azure.

John Michael Midwinter. Name and device. Gyronny gules and Or, a lozenge counterchanged.

In general, charges should not be counterchanged over a gyronny field, but given the extreme simplicity of the charge, and that there is only one charge, we find this acceptable.

Katherine Trévoux. Name.

Kedivor Tal ap Cadugon. Badge for Genevieve Marguerite Gaston de La Rochelle. Purpure ermined argent, a griffin segreant argent winged and beaked Or.

Please instruct the submitter to draw the tails on the ermine spots larger.

Lowri uxor lago. Name and device. Azure, a tyger passant contourny within a bordure embattled Or.

Nathair Airgid, Shire oL Device. Per saltire gules and sable, a pithon erect, in base a laurel wreath argent.

Robert de Bere. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Sebastian Wolff. Name.

Submitted as Sebastian von Wolff, Wolff appears to be a given name and not a place name; it cannot therefore be used with the preposition von.

SiobhAn inghean ui DhubhagAin. Name.

Submitted as Siobh6n ÓDubhagciin, the name combined a feminine given name with a masculine fon-n of the byname. We have changed the name to uniformly feminine.

Tifaine de Dauphiné. Name.

Uilliam Ó Dubhagiin. Name.

The following submissions were returned by the College of Arms, October 2000:

Deirdre of Gaul. Device. Argent, in pale a bird displayed head to sinister sable and a triangle voided purpure. Conflict with Manfred, King of Sicily (important non-SCA arms), Argent, an eagle displayed sable. There is a CD for adding the triangle, but nothing for the difference between the two birds. Furthermore, please instruct the submitter in future submissions to draw the bird with visible legs.

Erik Kastanrazi. Device. Gules, in saltire a ladle inverted and a battle-axe argent hafted Or. Withdrawn by the submitter.

Kiara Wrynn of the Bells. Device. Argent, a chevron rompu throughout between two hawk's bells and a cross of four mascles vert pometty purpure.

The cross is two steps from period style. We know of no examples in period armory of a cross pometty of a different tincture. While this by itself may have been registerable, adding the rounders to a type of cross whose outline is rarely if ever further altered makes the cross too far from period style to be registerable.

Robert de Bere. Device. Vert, two ferrets combattant Or.

The beasts were not drawn as ferrets, lacking both the thin tail and the elongated body. The device would thus be returned for redrawing except if drawn properly, it would be in conflict with Lorimel the Gentle, Vert, an otter sejant erect Or. There is a CD for the number of primary charges, but nothing for the change in posture.

I remain,

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

c/o Linda Miku

2527 East 3rd Street

Tucson AZ 85716



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