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ATENVELDT COLLEGE OF HERALDS 1 September 2017, A.S. LII

LETTER OF PRESENTATION Kingdom of Atenveldt




Unto Their Royal Majesties Áilgheanán and Amber; Baroness Genevieve de Lironcourt, Aten Principal Herald; Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!


This is the September 2017 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. Please have commentary to me by 20 September 2017.


Heraldry Hut: The September 2017 Heraldry Hut is tentatively scheduled for Friday, 15 September, 7:30 PM.


Please consider the following for the September 2017 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:


Cu Cathan Ultaig (BoA): NEW DEVICE

Gules, a bend sinister bevilled between a wolf's head couped contourny and an axe reversed maintain by a hand couped argent.

The name is registered as Cathán Ultaig; it was registered October 2009.


Jeffroie Laurence Du Bosc (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Quarterly gules and purpure, a cross counter-compony sable and argent, in chief two lions couchant addorsed regardant Or.

The submission forms REALLY need to be filled out in pen, and made complete as possible. Current email address, branch name and consulting herald are very valuable. There needs to be a sincere attempt at making the armorial forms neat and well-colored.

I cannot find this spelling of the given name. However, Geoffrei has been registered multiple times by the CoA in what seems to be a French and/or a Norman name.

Friar Laurence occurs in Romeo & Juliet, by William Shakespeare 1591. Aryanhwy cites it in "Index of Names in the 1292 Subsidy Roll of London" - Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/london1292.html); it is also the client's legal given name.

The surname DuBosc is recorded around 1500 in Bordeaux, citing Friedemann and Scott's "Names Found in Commercial Documents from Bordeaux, 1470-1520" where the name of Vincent Dubosc appears (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/bordeaux.html). The surname in the spelling Dubosc also appears in a Norman context in Elliot's "Sixteenth Century Norman Names" at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/cateline/norman16.html. This spelling is used by other members of his family, Lie du Bosc and Ann du Bosc; those names do not have the article capitalized.

The client desires a male name and it most interested in the language/culture of the name; he would like it authentic for time period (11th C. Norman).


Maria de Venetia (Tir Ysgithr): NEW DEVICE CHANGE

Argent, a butterfly azure, a bordure azure semy of heart argent.

The name was registered March 2017.

If registered, the client's current device, Per bend argent and gules, a swan sable and a sword inverted Or. (registered November 2016 under the name Natasiia Novgorodova; neither that name or that armory appears in the A&O) is to be retained as a badge.


Mark the Just (Twin Moons): NEW ALTERNATE NAME, Just Mark, and NEW BADGE

Sable, a hand balance and a chief embattled argent.

The primary name was registered July 2015.

The name elements appear in his registered name. Just, in that what is done is morally right, righteous, is dated to 1382; just, upright and upright in one's moral dealings, is dated to 1382, both in the COED. The client desires a male name and will not accept Major or Minor name changes.

The badge uses elements from his registered device, Sable, a hanging balance and on a chief embattled argent a rod per pale gules and sable.


Rebeka Orosz (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Quarterly vert and azure, a cross nebuly argent surmounted by a camal rampant Or.

Rebeka is a female given name This spelling was documented by Kolosvari Arpadne Julia in Hungary (in Latin) in 1272 (Fehértói, Árpád-kori személynévtár, s.n. Rebeka), seen in the LoAR for Rebeka Sidó, March 2014.

Theresia Orocz was the wife of Stephanus Pritz and the mother of Catharina Pritz, who was baptized 11 Nov 1556 in Dunafoöldvár, Tolna, Hungary (Hungary, Catholic Church Records, 1636-1895," database, FamilySearch,https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X6DW-T54 : 21 July 2017), https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3ATheresia~%20%2Bsurname%3AOrosz~%20%2Bbirth_place%3AHungary~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1200-1650~. The client desires a female name and it most interested in the language/culture of the name; she would like it authentic for language/culture (Hungarian).


Rhys Makhdoom (BoA): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Sable, a horned death's head, on a chief argent, three horned death's heads gules.
The submission forms REALLY need to be filled out in pen, and made complete as possible. Branch name, date submitted, and consulting herald are very valuable.

Rhys is the client's legal name. Makhdoom was found in Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makhdoom). It is an Arabic term for a teacher of the Sunnah (teachings, sayings and attributions) of the Prophet Mohammad. The Makhdoom families were respected in Pakistan mainly due to the role of their ancestors in spreading Islam in the subcontinent. A Makhdoom was a respected person who dedicated his life to Islam, the Quran and the Sunnah.
The client desires a male name and is most interested in the sound of the name.


Saoirse Kyara Fae Ultaig (BoA): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Or, a fess sable, overall two candles argent, enflamed gules.

The submission forms REALLY need to be filled out in pen, and made complete as possible. Date submitted and consulting herald information are very valuable. Documentation is a given.

Although it is claimed that the client's legal name is Saoirse Kyara Fae Mullan, no documentation was provided for the name.

For Ultaig, the byname Ultac ("Ulster[-ian]/Ulster[-ish]/Ulidian") begins as a descriptive byname but became an inherited surname, according to "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Descriptive Bynames: Ultac/Ultach," Mari Elspeth nic Bryan ( http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/DescriptiveBynames/Ultac.shtml ). The Middle Irish Gaelic form of the name, which corresponds to the date of the given name, is Ultac/Ultaig and dates from 860 to 1078 (it also appears as a Modern Early Irish Gaelic name element). Given the examples in the citation, the correct form appears to be Ultaig. It is registered to the client's father. The client desires a female name and is most interested in the sound of the name (“seer-shuh”). She will accept no Major or Minor changes to the name.


Sean Gleny (TM): NEW NAME CHANGE, from Seán an Gleanna

Sean is a masculine given name from the Gaelic "Seán", a version of "John". One instance, dated 1601, “Names Found in Anglicized Irish Documents: Men's Names,” Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada, http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnglicizedIrish/Masculine.shtml.

Eupham Gleny, daughter of Archibald Gleny was christened aa march 1649 in Alyth, Perth, Scotland (Batch C11328-2, https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AEupham~%20%2Bsurname%3AGleny~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1649-1649~%20%2Bgender%3AF&collection_id=1771030). The currently-registered name should be retained as an alternate name.


Sitareh (BoA): NEW NAME and DEVICE
Argent, a mermaid purpure maintaining a sun Or and a decrescent azure, a double tressure sable.

The submission forms REALLY need to be filled out in pen, and made complete as possible. Current e-mail address, date submitted and consulting herald are very valuable. There needs to be a sincere attempt at making the armorial forms neat and well-colored.

No documentation was provided for the name, other than it is meant to mean “star” (no language given).

This also violates PN.2.B. Name Phrase Requirements: A registerable personal name must be made up of at least two name phrases: a given name and at least one byname (which may appear to be a second given name). While it is easy to document individuals who are identified only with a single given name, we do not allow the registration of single element personal names. Individuals may use those names, but may not register them.

The client desires a female name and is most interested in the meaning of the name (“star”). She will accept no Major or Minor changes to the name.


Solveig Sundafyllir (Ered Sul): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per fess gules and argent semy of shears, a fess wavy sable and in chief a fish Or.

The name is Old Norse. Sólveig is a feminine name found in "Viking Names found in Landnámabók," Aryanhwy merch Catmael, http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/landnamabok.html. Sundafyllir, “sound-filler, ablt to fill a bay with fish by magic,” is found in “Viking Bynames found in the Landnámabók,” Aryanhwy merch Catmael, http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/vikbynames.html.


The following submissions appear in the August 2017 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Commentary was provided by Adelaide de Beaumont, Michael Gerard Curtmemoire, Maridonna Benvenuti.


Donndubán mac Eógain (Ered Sul): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, June 2013: Argent, a wolf rampant gules ermined Or, a bordure pean.
The name was registered June 2013.
The original submission, Per chevron sable and vert, a chevron between two compass starts and a sword inverted argent., was returned for conflict. This is a complete redesign.


Eugene Haraldsson (Burning Sands):NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per pale sable and argent, a sun eclipsed between in bend an arrowhead and anther inverted, all counterchanged.

Adelaide de Beaumont commented that Eugene is anglicized, and the pope was born Eugenio Savelli (in 780), becoming Pope Eugenius in 824. SENA allows English with Norse only before 1100, and neither Latin nor Italian combine at all. However, Maridonna Benvenuti suggested that Eugene is found in Ireland as Early Modern English in 1539-1540 (source Fiants-1 99), in DMNES, http://dmnes.org/name/Eugene. In Reaney and Wilson, one finds Philip Harald 1327 s.n. Herald et al. pp. 217-218. Henryson shows Richard Henrison 1343, Nicholas Henryson 1381, 'Son of Henry,' p. 217; and in Bardsley, Higg, Higgs, Higson show Elizabeth Higson of Brereton Will' at Chester. There are all within 300 years of each other, if Eugene Haraldson is considered a plausible spelling. It seems that the simple addition of -son for an English byname would only use a single -s-.
Michael Gerard Curtememoire suspected the Unity rules forbid a charge and another inverted in the same charge group, unless a period exemplar can be found. I am sending this on, with the hope that UOP doesn't go to such lengths.


Geraint de Grey: DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, June 2017: Azure, a chevron cotised Or between two mullets of five points argent and a demi-sun issuant from base Or.

The name was registered October 2000.

The previous submission, Azure, a chevron Or between two mullets of eight points argent and a demi-sun issuant from base Or., was returned for conflict with Godric Linch, Azure, a chevron Or between two quatrefoils argent and a lion dormant Or. There is one DC for changing the type of all of the secondary charges. Additionally, this device is returned for violation of SENA A3D1, the "sword and dagger" rule, which disallows the use of visually similar but blazonably different charges. Mullets of eight points and suns do not have a DC between them, and cannot be used on the same device; the use of demi-suns and mullets of eight points is just as visually confusing. Changing the eight-pointed mullets to mullets of five points eliminates the “sword and dagger” violation, and adding the cotises clears the conflict with Godric (hopefully without encountering new conflicts).

Marcus Octavius Valerius (BS): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per pale gules and sable, an eagle Or and in chief three billets argent.

The name is Latin. Marcus and Octavius are listed as praenomen and nomen, respectively, in Ursula George's naming guide, http://yarntheory.net/ursulageorges/names/roman.html. In "A Study of the Cognomina of Soldiers in the Roman Legions," Lindley Richard Dean, under the heading for Valerianus (p. 56), it says, "Before speaking of Valerianus there are several examples of Valerius as a cognomen which must be noticed." Marcus Octavius Valerius is therefore fine, https://books.google.com/books?id=MF0KAAAAIAAJ&q=valerius#v=onepage&q=valerius&f=false. He desires a male name and is most interested in the language/culture of the name (Roman 1-2nd C.); he would like it made authentic for a 1st-2nd C. Roman. The client will not allow the creation of a holding name.

The original submission, Per pale embattled gules and sable, an eagle Or., conflicts with David Evan McKuenn, Per fess rayonny sable and gules, an eagle displayed Or breathing flames proper., and with the Emperor of Constantinople, Gules, a double-headed eagle Or. There was also an issue of a complex line of division on a low-contrast divided field, coupled with that line mostly obscured by the primary charge. However, Michael Gerard Curtmemoire suggested the use of a plain line of division, and using three billets in chief, suggesting an allusion to the client's knight and request for some referent to the knight's armory. (A rendition of Sir Oslaf's arms is at http://www.atenveldt.org/Heraldry/OrderofPrecedence/memid/2645.) This redesign was suggested to the client and he finds it very appealing, so this is how the submission will proceed.

Nikolaus Gerhart (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE: (Fieldless) An armored arm embowed argent sustaining a broken lance bendwise sinister Or.

The name was registered November 2014.


Viktoria of York: DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, April 2017: Argent, on a Latin cross throughout purpure a dragonfly argent.

The name was registered July 2012.

The previous submission, Per saltire argent and purpure, in pale two crosses and in fess two dragonflies counterchanged., was returned for running afoul of SENA A3D2b. which states "Mixing Ordinaries and Other Charges: While charge groups may have different types of charges, charge groups consist of either identical ordinaries or complex charges. Thus, a single charge group may not mix ordinaries with non-ordinaries or mix two types of ordinaries." Here we have a primary charge group with the crosses throughout (which are considered ordinaries) and the dragonflies. This is a redesign.


Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

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