Unto Their Royal Majesties Phelan and Amirah; Duchess Elzbieta Rurikovskaia, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Parhelium Herald!

This is the September 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. It precedes the external Letter of Intent that will contain the following submissions that are presented here, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry and consultation.

New Forms, New Fees: Don't forget that there are NEW submissions forms, downloadable from atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com, and from the Kingdom of Atenveldt website. USE THESE FORMS ONLY! Do NOT "use up" your old forms! Submissions on those are likely to be returned to you, to transfer the information from them onto the NEW FORMS.

Also remember that as of 1 July 2008, submissions fees for new items have been reduced in the Kingdom of Atenveldt. The fee for a new name, device or badge is $7.00/item. Local heralds will retain $2.00/item for use in the running of their local offices; the remainder ($5.00) should be sent on to the Parhelium Herald's Office via a check or money order made payable to "Kingdom of Atenveldt, SCA, Inc." Thanks!

Consultation Table at Kingdom Arts and Sciences: I plan to have a Consultation Table at Kingdom Arts in the Barony of Sundragon (Wickenburg High School) on Saturday, 4 October 2008. If you'd like to help out, let me know ahead of time (which is nice) or just show up (which is nice, too)! Consultation Tables are an excellent way to hone your consulting abilities and to natter with fellow heralds. They're mostly fun, and if you're not careful, you might learn something, too!

Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too: atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com.

Recent Actions by the SCA College of Arms: Submissions appearing the November 2007 and December 2007 Atenveldt Letters of Intent have been acted upon by the College of Arms. The results are found at the end of this report as actions at the CoA's March 2008 and April 2008 meetings.

Please consider the following submissions for the September 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Intent: None at this time.

The following submissions appear in the September 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Commentary this month provided by Helena de Argentoune [HdA], Magdalen Venturosa [MV], Maridonna Benvenuti [MB], Rohese de Dinan, Shadowdale Pursuivant, Calontir [RdD], Stefania Krakowska [SF]

Ascelin àlainn inghean Ailill (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per fess azure and argent, a dragon segreant counterchanged.

The client is negotiable on spelling and nationality, as I recall, as long as the name is registerable and retains both alliterative "a" sound and meaning "beautiful dreamer." She is determined, however, on "Ascelin/Ascelina." [HdA]

As it stands, the name has multiple weirdnesses. Ascelin is an English masculine name, the feminine of which is Ascelina or Asceline. A combination of Gaelic and English (or Scots, or Anglicized Irish) is a weirdness. Therefore, the name Aeschine (which is Scots) would have exactly the same weirdness as Asceline. The combination of a masculine given name with a Gaelic feminine form of patronymic is, I believe, unregisterable.

The latest citation of the name Ailill is from 973 from the Irish Annals ( http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Ailill.shtml ). Ó Corráin and Maguire (Irish Names, s.n. Ailill: Oilill) gives a latest date of 1032. However, it appears (from Ó Corráin and Maguire) that Ailill was a saint's name, so that would negate the weirdness for mixing an early patronymic with a late byname. However, inghean Ailill is still not right. The fully pre-1200 form would be ingen Ailella. The post-1200 form would, I believe, be inghean Oilella ( Ó Corráin and Maguire gives the post-1200 form of Ailill as Oilill, but it is not clear whether this is a modern form or not) . The (masculine) byname Alann (the comely) is found in the Irish annals, but only from 1377 and 1491.

Asceline Alann inghean Oilella would probably be registerable, with one weirdness for the difference in language between Ascelin and the Gaelic rest of the name. Alann should be capitalized. Alainn is the genitive form. Or, Asceline ingen Ailella would be registerable as a pre-1200 form with a weirdness for the difference in language between Ascelin and the Gaelic rest of the name.

The client might also consider the name Aibhilín, which is a late Gaelic name based on the Norman name Avelina or Emeline. It is found from 1498-1583 in the Index of names in Irish annals at http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Aibhilin.shtml. That would yield an all-Gaelic name of Aibhilin Alann inghean Oilella. [RdD]

This is technically clear of the following, but I wonder about visual conflict: Sabine Berard: Per bend sinister azure and argent, a dragon segreant counterchanged maintaining in its sinister claw a bezant. If you took this submission and made the line per bend sinister instead of per fess, almost no part of the dragon would be different. [RdD] Very similar indeed, but it still ought to be clear. [MMM]

Cecilia Mowebray (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGES: (Fieldless) A mullet of four points per pale azure and argent.

(Fieldless) A swan's head contourny erased argent gorged of a torse vert.

(Mullet badge) Clear of Eleanor Leonard: (Tinctureless) A mullet of four points distilling a goutte. per blanket Permission to Conflict if field and/or mullet is not solid plain tincture recognized by Laurel 0201.

(Swan's head badge) There is a very old precedent stating that a torse can be of one color: A torse can be of one color only. (KFW, 10 Mar 78 [18], p. 5) [RdD]

I suspect the torse counts as "maintained" so I don't think it counts for difference. If it does count, however, it is a tertiary charge. I'm going to examine it both ways. Considering: Caroline of Mainwaring: (Fieldless) A swan's head erased to sinister argent gorged of an eastern crown Or, and maintaining a garden rose fesswise reversed gules, slipped and leaved vert., there is 1 CD for fieldlessness. Nothing for orientation as both are contourny. Nothing for removing the maintained rose. IF the crown counts as a tertiary charge, then we have torse vs. crown and Or vs. vert on the tertiaries.  That's enough to gain a second CD for changes to tertiaries. IF, however, the crown and torse are considered "maintained," then the second CD vanishes and this is a conflict. [HdA] But here's a nifty Precedent to keep in mind: [a horse's head contourny erased Or collared gules] This is clear of conflict with ... Sable, a single headed chess knight contourny Or. There is a CD for changing the field and a second CD for adding the collar. "When considering a full beast or monster gorged, the gorging is usually treated as an artistic detail, worth no difference. When consider the same creature's head gorged, however, the gorging is much more prominent in proportion --- and treated as a tertiary charge." (LoAR 9/93 p.5) [Ceinwen ferch Rhys ap Gawain, 03/02, A-Caid]. As a result, this badge is clear of Caroline's. [MMM]

The vast majority of torses are oriented to appear as an annulet. However, it appears that a fairly recent registration does have a torse "in profile," Sarkanyi Gero (registered in November of 2006 (via the West): (Fieldless) A dexter seraph's wing gules, covered Or, lined vert, edged azure, and a sinister dragon's wing gules, edged and ribbed Or, both issuant from a torse wreathed Or and azure.[MMM]

Eogan of the Breton March (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Gyronny arrondi of six Or and sable, in each Or gyron a wyvern displayed gules.

I don't think that the article "the" would be used in a locative. I think it would be just "Eoghan of Breton March." This construction is seen all over the place. The Breton March existed from 861 to 911 according to Wikipedia.

[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_of_Neustria ], so the pieces of the name are temporally compatible. [HdA] The term "of the Breton March" which the client documents as a locative was one of the Marches of Neustria established by Charles the Bald in 861. It was, as the name implies, an area located at the border between Brittany and the Frankish territory ruled by Charles. A previous version of this March was also established earlier by the Merovingian Kings in the late 7th or early 8th centuries. In 911 the Breton March was combined with the Norman March and ceased to exist under the name Breton March. [The source for this is Wikipedia, but I am sure it would be easy to find more authoritative sources if necessary]. Thus the name "of the Breton March" refers to a specific place in what is now France, at some time between the late 7th and early 10th centuries. [RdD]

 This submission calls upon the Lingua Anglica allowance. For purposes of lingual mix, the original language of the name element must be compared to the other name elements, rather than the English of the translation. There is extensive discussion on the Lingua Anglica allowance in the Cover Letter for the 6/2002 LoAR, the gist of which is "Keeping this purpose in mind, the fairest way address the current issues is to not count the use of the Lingua Anglica Allowance as a weirdness and to view it as the original language when examining the name for lingual mixes. This policy upholds the precedent 'We have in the past returned such epithets as Fyrlocc, on the grounds that they didn't follow known period models for English bynames. However, given the recent documentation of Pyrsokomos "flame-hair" as a valid Greek epithet, we are now inclined to permit its lingua franca translation -- but only for names where the original Greek epithet would be acceptable. The submitter will have to demonstrate regular period interaction between Ireland and Greece before this name meets that criterion -- or else show the construction follows period English models. [Fiona Flamehair, R-An Tir, LoAR 05/93]'"

So the language mix in this name must be either Gaelic and Frankish or Gaelic and the late Latin then spoken in what was left of Gaul, or Gaelic and Breton. Note that the Vita Karoli Magni was written in Latin, but that the names of the places and characters found therein will have been Latinized from their original forms.

Gaelic and Frankish is not registerable, nor is Gaelic and Vulgar Latin (precursor to Old French): "In the 6th C, people in the area that is now France were speaking Frankish and a kind of vulgar Latin that evolved to become Old French. Old French appeared in the 9th C and evolved for some time after that. The ruling allowing names combining Gaelic and French to be registered, but carry a weirdness, was based on the significant contact between Anglo-Normans who settled in Ireland beginning in the late 12th C. The Normans who invaded England in the 11th C spoke a form of Old French. Their descendants who settled in Ireland also spoke some form of this language. Therefore, we have support for significant contact between speakers of Gaelic and Old French (or a variant thereof). However, no evidence was found of significant contact between speakers of Gaelic and either Frankish or the vulgar Latin precursor of Old French. Lacking such evidence, a name combining these languages is not registerable. As we were unable to find a way to combine these name elements in a registerable manner, we must return this name. [Faílenn de la Maurienne, 02/2004, R-Ansteorra]"

Gaelic and Old French is registerable with a weirdness, and Old French did arise in the 9th C., but as Gaelic contact with the Normans post-dates the end of the use of the name "of the Breton March" as a locative by at least two centuries, this could not logically be the source of the lingual mix in this name.

There has never been a ruling on combining Gaelic and Breton, but, like Cornish and Welsh, Breton is a P-Celtic language, whereas Gaelic is a Q-Celtic language. And Gaelic/Welsh and Gaelic/Cornish have also been ruled as unregisterable: "This name mixes Welsh and Gaelic; such combinations are unregisterable. [Saige inghean Ghiolla Phádraig - Atlantia Returns, January 2005 LoAR]" and "This name combines a Cornish given name (or in this case a Latin version of a Cornish name) and an Irish Gaelic byname, but no documentation was submitted and none supplied by the commenters to suggest substantial contact between Cornish and Irish Gaelic speakers in period. Barring such documentation, combinations of these languages is not registerable. [Wyllow MacMuireadhaigh - Ansteorra Returns, April 2006 LoAR]"

Fortunately, there are some alternatives that may be of interest to this submittor.Eugenius is the usual Latinization of Eoghan in medieval sources, and would also likely be appropriate for areas in France between the 7th and 10th centuries, particularly as a written form of name. Probably more in keeping with the submittor's intent, there is a Breton form of Eoghan, Euuen or Even, pronounced as we would pronounce the name "Ewen" (Eoghan is pronounced the same way), cited in the St. Gabriel Letter 2011 as a common 9th century Breton masculine name [the letter takes this name from the source: De Courson, M. Aure/lien, _Cartulaire de L'Abbaye de Redon en Bretagne_ (Paris: Imprimerie Imperiale, 1963).]. ( http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2011.txt )

In short I do not believe that Eoghan of the Breton March is registerable, but I do believe that either Eugenius of the Breton March or Euuen (or Even) of the Breton March should be registerable. I would probably recommend Euuen of the Breton March as the best of these alternatives. [RdD]

I strongly suspect that even if Eoghan is pronounced as "Ewen," the client is going for the popular "Ee-gan" pronunciation; if this is the case, the alternative Euuen spellings probably won't sit well with him. If Eoghan of the Breton March is registered, that's great; if not, a number of good, period alternatives have been presented for his consideration. [MMM]

The arrangement of charges is functionally equivalent to "two and one." There are no difference between "gyronny of six" and "gyronny of X" (with the exception of "gyronny of four" = "quarterly.") Checking against all fields with "three wyverns displayed." ("two and one" is the default.), consider: ·Oweyn ap Tegwaret ab Urien Azure, three wyverns argent.; Thalia Baroncelli: Or vêtu ployé, in fess three wyverns erect gules; Frederick de Cathcart: Vert, three wyverns erect one and two argent. The submission is clear of the above in all cases because there is 1 CD for changes to the field + 1 CD for posture (displayed vs. default posture of rampant). [HdA]

Galen McKintoch (Tir Ysgithr): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, January 2008

Sable, a bend abased Or charged with a bendlet vert, in sinister chief a wing terminating in a hand sustaining a sword bendwise argent.

The name was registered November 2007.

The original submission, Sable, a bend abased Or fimbriated vert, in sinister chief a wing bendwise inverted terminating in a hand sustaining a sword bendwise argent., was returned for administrative reasons: the emblazon in OSCAR does not match the emblazon received by Laurel. The vert portion on either side of the bend differed significantly in width between the two emblazons. On resubmission we recommend drawing the wing smaller so that the bend need not be abased. The Rules for Submission section VIII.3 states that "Voiding and fimbriation may only be used with simple geometric charges placed in the center of the design." Prior rulings have disallowed fimbriation of bends abased or enhanced. We leave open the question of whether or not a bend fimbriated can be blazoned as on a bend a bendlet in order to register the same design. If this is resubmitted with a bend abased, the submitter should be prepared to argue why a bend abased charged with a bendlet should be allowed.

"If the submitter wishes a wing and sword in this arrangement (more or less), he would do better to forego the wing terminating in a hand. That arrangement almost invariably has the wing in its normal posture, with the sword fesswise reversed above it. Putting that motif bendwise inverted, as in this submission, makes it harder to identify. A better choice would be issuant from a sinister wing a hand sustaining a sword bendwise: a displayed sinister wing, with a hand coming out of the lower end to hold the sword. See the August 2005 Cover Letter for examples and further explanation."

The client has chosen to use one of the standard "wing and hand" motifs that are illustrated in the August 2005 Cover Letter. The primary charge, rather than being fimbriated, is now charged with a bendlet (the bendlet being one-third the total width of the bend, so it should be apparent that the Or elements make up the underlying bend and are not really fat fimbriations. The armory of Ann Busshenell of Tylehurst, Gules, three bendlets abased argent each charged with a bendlet azure in sinister chief an hourglass argent charged with a needle sable., registered in March 2002, suffered from the same issues of ordinaries abased and fimbriated; she redesigned her armory to use ordinaries abased and charged (her bendlets also 1/3 the width of the bends – pretty tricky with three bendlets to start with), and the resubmission was registered without comment.

Kára inghean Dhubhshith (Atenveldt): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, March 2007

Per fess embattled sable and argent, a sword bendwise sinister inverted and a dragon sejant erect contourny counterchanged.

Kára is an Old Norse feminine name found in Geirr Bassi, p. 12.

MacDhubhshith is a Scottish Gaelic family name found in Black, p. 493 s.n. MACFEE. Aryanhwy (in her previous incarnation as Albion) noted that the Gaelic forms in Black, unless explicitly dated, are modern and not registerable; any assistance in determining a period form of by patronymic would be very much appreciated. She also noted that, as this is a name for a woman, the feminine particle should be used, hence inghean (or a form of that).

The combination of Norse (Old Norse) and Gaelic is one step from period practice.

The client is interested in a mixed cultural name with elements from Scotland (of the Gaelic variety) and Norse. The client is most interested in the meaning of the name, particularly the byname (which Black notes as coming from Dubh-sidh, "black fairy," from the tradition that the family has been familiar with the fairies in their fairy flights and secret migrations).

Malinda Angelanne Hohen van Kester (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE: Per fess embattled azure and argent, a heart gules, in chief a sprig of three strawberry leaves argent.

She is a Duchess of Atenveldt; receiving the accolade 4 July 1981.

This would make a better device than a badge as only persons of a rank permitted to wear strawberry leaves (Duke or Duchess) may bear this badge. This puts a heck of a limitation on persons in her household. Is the client aware of this? Suggest we recommend to the client that this submission be made her new device and that her current device be retained as a badge. That way, anyone in her household may bear her badge, regardless of their rank. [HdA] According to the list of reserved charges, the item reserved for the use of Dukes and Duchesses is a coronet with strawberry leaves, not the sprigs themselves. (I think you can call a sprig any plant you like, but unless it's something like holly or obviously lobed oak leaves (which then look like other lobed leaves) "sprigs is sprigs." :) I like the idea of reversing the armories, though – kind of makes the badge the "simpler" armory of the two. [MMM]

Mateo Dominguez (Ered Sul): NEW NAME

Sara Blackthorne (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME CHANGE from Sara Rebecka Chadburn and NEW DEVICE: Argent, on a heart gules a key fesswise reversed wards to base Or and in chief a staff sable entwined by a vine vert thorned sable.

I'm hoping that the current placement can be unequivocally be blazoned as "in chief" for the staff...the alternative of making these co-primaries (Argent, in pale a staff sable entwined by a vine vert thorned sable and a heart gules charged with...) might run into an issue (but I don't think so...I think) of three co-primaries: the heart, the staff AND the vine. She is using an element from the registered armory of her husband, William Griffin Blackthorne, Gules, a griffin's head contourny couped on a chief argent a staff entwined with a leafless vine thorned sable.

No conflicts found with the name. The name should be grandfathered to her in any case, Sara because it is already registered to her, and Blackthorne, because it is registered to her husband. [RdD]

If she makes the heart just a little bigger, it should be clear that the vine and staff are secondaries. The staff should be specified as fesswise. [RdD]

You're right! The dreaded slot machine armory rule could come into play here!!!!!!!! I'm SO ashamed that I didn't see it! We could send it up and see if the COA thinks so too if you think it's worth it to take the chance. It's possible that the client might also be amenable to dividing the field and making it "Per fess argent and Or," however. I do know that she really wants the heart to be the primary charge.

If necessary, we could redraw it so that the heart is clearly centered and primary and the rod/vine is clearly smaller. That might resolve some of this. [HdA] Since you worked with the client and know that she wants the heart to be the primary charge, I'm redrawing this to make it so. [MMM]

Sorcha Broussard (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per fess azure and argent, on a fess Or between two escallops argent and a manta ray sable a rose gules.

Another form of a "ray" found in period Heraldry is a "skate" which looks similar to the manta ray. The manta ray is distinguished from the skate by the existence of two "horns" on its "head."  While it is possible that the use of a manta ray instead of a skate will be considered a step from period practice, using a manta ray in the past has been done without that stricture. And fairly recently too.

"Blazoned on the LoI as a skate, the primary charge is instead a manta ray, which is distinguished by its two "horns". We have no explicit period citations for the manta ray, but it lives in waters frequented by the Spanish in period; we are giving it the benefit of the doubt here.

If the submitters would prefer to resubmit with a genuine skate (as their order name would suggest), they could do no better than to copy the depiction of a skate in the Macclesfield Psalter, c.1330, as seen at http://www.fitzmuseum.cam.ac.uk/gallery/macclesfield/gallery.html."

[Tir-y-Don, Barony of. Award name Order of the Skate and badge. (Fieldless) A manta ray tergiant sable maintaining in its tail a sheaf of arrows fesswise Or., http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2005/11/05-11lar.html ]

I think the submission is crisp and clean.  Each charge is well separated and very distinct. The "rule of 8" is a guideline and may be overlooked when the charges are visually well-defined as is the case here. [HdA]

Stefan der Jäger von Ansbach (Tir Ysgithr): NAME RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, April 2006, and NEW DEVICE: Paly bendy-sinister argent and azure, on a bend sinister wavy vert between two edelweiss blossoms Or three fish argent.

The armory for Ansbach, and more history of the city, can be found at http://www.answers.com/topic/ansbach; the arms are Vert, on a bend wavy argent three fish azure.

This is waaaaaaaaaaaay too complex by half. Where the submission of Sorcha Broussard exceeds the "Rule of 8" but remains crisp, clean and uncluttered, this submission is much busier. Placing the complex edelweiss on the lozengy is just confusing to the eye. I get the impression that they are going for an "under the sea" type of effect which, if true, makes this overly pictoral. (Sparkly water, green seaweed, yellow sea anemones, swimming fish. Just stand under the water and look UP.) Please. Return for redesign. Simply changing the wavy bend sinister to a plain bend sinister would be a HUGE improvement. NO conflicts found, however, but then, I didn't expect to find any. [HdA]

Tabitha Whitewolf (Barony Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE:Gules, a wolf queue-forchy rampant argent between three four-leaf clovers Or.

The mundane name of the submitter's father-in-law needs to be redacted. I see no objections to the name and found no conflicts. Whitewolf is probably registerable anyway, but it may be grandfathered to her in any case. If she wants to use the mundane name allowance she should provide proof, but the name Tabitha should in any case be registerable with her documentation. Tabitha is also listed in Late Sixteenth Century English Given Names, by Talan Gwynek at http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/eng16/eng16alpha.html. [RdD]

Another member of the Whitewolf clan, I take it? The four-leaf clovers are really stylized. There's really too much space between the individual lobes of each leaf. But that could be considered an artsy detail.

This device does NOT conflict with that of Johnathan Crusadene Whitewolf: Gules, ermined argent, a wolf rampant argent., as there is one CD for changes to the field (ermined to plain gules) and 1 CD for adding the secondary charges. It also does not conflict with Torgils Gudmundsson Silferulf: Per saltire azure and sable, a wolf rampant brandishing a sword between three mullets argent, as there is one CD for the field and 1 CD for the type of secondary charges (nothing for the maintained sword, however.). It also does not conflict with Kai Qwythwolf: Quarterly azure and sable, a wolf rampant reguardant between three Maltese crosses argent, as there is one CD for the field and 1 CD for the type of secondary charges. [HdA]

Vincenzo Antonio Maria Pace (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Argent, two rapiers crossed in saltire sable surmounted by a rose purpure and on a chief azure five mullets argent.

(Use of the element Maria) Although I do not have the references available at my fingertips, I do believe that although it is not directly masculine, that being named for or in honor of the Virgin, Mary-Maria-Marie, is acceptable for maless as well as females.  It is fairly rare, but a modern example is Klaus Maria Brandower, the actor who played Meryl Streep's husband in "Out of Africa". I also know that I have had a few clients whose names are Jose Maria or Jesus Maria along with a Spanish surname. I recognize these are modern examples and may not apply to period naming practices. I would recommend we check with the resident Spanish and Italian name experts. [MV]

I found an example of Maria used for a man in period Italy: St. Antonio Maria Zaccaria was born in 1502 in Cremona, Italy ( http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01588a.htm ). [RdD]

These names are from 1602/1604: From LE GRATIE D'AMORE DI CESARE DE NEGRI MILANESE DETTO IL TROMBONE, MAESTRO DI BALLARE. [1602/1604] (Main page url: http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/negri/ ), and rrom the transcription: Gio. Maria Genovese detto il Coralliero, Antonio Maria Mantico, Il signor Francesco Maria Bava ( http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/negri/transcription/0006.clean.html ). [MB]

Giuseppe Giordano Maria Falcionieri was registered by the CoA without comment March 2001. Petruccio Alfonso Maria Cuccieri de Cataluña (a Spanish name) was registered September 1991, with commentary only concerning correction of the locative. There are a couple of seemingly masculine mens' names containing "Maria" (one Italian, one Spanish, I think) registered in the late 1980s. [MMM]

(Use of three given names) Three given names is registerable in Italian, but is a weirdness: While registerable, the use of three given names in Italian is not typical in period. To date, only one example has been found. The registration of Arianna Rosa Christina Veneziano (registered in February 1996) was supported by documentation that Catherine de' Medici was christened Caterina Maria Romola. This single example of three given names in Italian makes three give names registerable, though a weirdness. Catherine de' Medici was born in 1519, so the example we have for three given names is 16th century. [Novella Francesca Caterina Zancani, 02/2003 LoAR, A-Calontir] [RdD]

Pace is documented as a patronymic. Did Italian use unmarked patronymics, or would this need to be di Pace? I would think that Vincenzo Antonio Maria di Pace would be registerable. [RdD]

My bad. I should've filled in the blank. Yes, the client is interested in an "Italian" name. [HdA]

Walrick de Blakeney (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGES

(Fieldless) A mullet of four points per pale sable and argent.

(Fieldless) A tower per pale sable and argent.

(Mullet badge) Considering Robert of Holliston: Per pale argent and sable, a mullet of eight points pierced counterchanged., 1 CD for removing the field + 1 CD for change of type from mullet of four to mullet of eight à clear. [HdA] There is a CD for "flipping" the tinctures on the mullet, too. [MMM]

Clear of Eleanor Leonard: (Tinctureless) A mullet of four points distilling a goutte. per blanket Permission to Conflict if field and/or mullet is not solid plain tincture recognized by Laurel 0201. [RdD]

(Tower badge) Consider Michel d'Avignon: Per pale sable and argent, a two-towered castle counterchanged., with 1 CD for fieldlessness and 1 CD for flipping the tinctures. [HdA]

Walrick de Blakeney (Tir Ysgithr): BADGE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, December 2006

(Fieldless) Issuant from a tower per pale sable and argent, a demisun Or.

I think the original ruling should be appealed. In the device below, the fleur-de-lys would be even smaller than the demi-sun and yet IT counts for difference. In the original submission, the demi-sun so changes the outline of the tower, that it SHOULD count for difference. Additionally, seeing as how the conjoined demi-sun is fully one-third of the size conjoined charge as a whole, I would say that it not only should but MUST be counted for difference. [HdA]

I think your argument has merit. As I write this, I'm reminded of a client in my barony who did register a dragon springing out of a mug, and this is how it was blazoned: Caterina Amiranda della Quercia: (Fieldless) In pale a demi-dragon contourny sable issuant from a tankard reversed argent. This gives every suggestion that the demi-dragon is of equal visual weight to the tankard and that they are co-primaries. It was registered without comment. [MMM]

Current submission, however, is clear of the following: Elisabeth Johanna von Flossenburg: (Fieldless) On a tower per pale sable and argent a fleur-de-lys counterchanged., 1 CD for fieldlessness +1 CD for removing the obviously tertiary fleur-de-lys. [HdA]

The following submissions were held/returned for further work by the Atenveldt CoH, August 2008:

Anton DeWitt (Granholme): NEW NAME

Nice name.  I'm assuming it's English? Is he by chance associated with "Frog Daddy" and Co. in Granholme? The name should be clear of Anton de Winton: This name was registered in August of 1983 (via the Middle), as "Witt" and "Winton" do not sound the same. (Different endings, "Witt" has one syllable where "Winton" has two.) [HdA]

HELD for information status of Name Submission paperwork.

Cecilia Mowebray (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE: (Fieldless) On a sprig of three mulberry leaves vert a mulberry purpure.

I am uncertain of how to blazon the fool berry. Mulberries are long fruits and can be depicted either lengthwise or end-on.  This one is end-on so that the base of the berry faces the viewer. A "sprig" by definition has three leaves. Reblazon: "(Fieldless) On a mulberry sprig vert, a mulberry purpure."

This one may be an issue: Ingrid Elizabeth de Marksberry: (Fieldless) A slip of elderberry flowered and fructed proper. I believe elderberries "proper" are "purpure" but they may be "azure." The arrangement may be different, however, as this is a slip not a sprig and the fruit is hanging down not "on" the leaves. I think this one is clear, however. [HdA]

The mulberry in this emblazon is not a tertiary charge. If it was, it would be color on color which is prohibited by RfS VIII 2. Instead, this is barely overall, which is not permitted in fieldless badges: [(Fieldless) An annulet sable overall a dragon segreant argent] The dragon has a high degree of overlap with the underlying annulet, which is not acceptable style for fieldless badges. Moreover, an overall charge should extend significantly past the outlines of the underlying charge, which is not the case in this armory. [Alden Drake, 04/03, R-Ansteorra]

I did not conflict check this badge, since it need (at least) redrawing. Would it be possible to draw and blazon this as a sprig of mulberry leaves, fructed? [RdD] If the fruit were clear of the leaves, so perhaps "leaves on top, a berry below," it might run too close to Ingrid's badge, cited by Helena. However, a quick look at elderberries shows that the leaves are much closer in appearance to strawberry leaves (not lobed), and the fruit is many, many tiny berries ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Elderberryfruit5081.JPG and http://www.wildmanstevebrill.com/Plants.Folder/Elderberry.html ). I think I used to know the botanical names for specific leaf shapes and flower arrangements, but the one and only Botany class I took in college was a long time ago. A non-botanist might not know what these specific plants are, but he/she could tell that they are not the same plant. [MMM]

RETURNED for redrawing.

Christiane Dax (Twin Moons): NEW BADGE: (Fieldless) A skull sable jessant of a shakefork gules.

Since the shake fork is visible through the eysockets and nose, should this be blazoned as a skull's mask? This distinction was not made on the client's registered device, but I thought it ws obviously a backless skull then too. [HdA]

This is by precedent two steps from period practice with a head (not a lion or leopard) jessant of a charge (not a fleur-de-lys): Æðeluulf munuc. Device. Counter-ermine, a ram's head caboshed argent horned and jessant of a straight trumpet Or. This device is returned for combining two elements each of which is a step from period practice. The period motif of a lion's face jessant-de-lys, with a lion's or leopard's head cabossed and a fleur-de-lys issuant from the back of its head and out its open mouth, was the basis for this design; but we have no examples of the motif that uses any head but a lion's head, or any jessant charge but a fleur-de-lys. In theory, one might substitute another type of head, but precedent speaks to that issue: [considering an owl's head jessant-de-lis] There was ... some concern that we here we are getting too far from period practice. (Period practice being leopard's head jessant-de-lys; one step from period practice being other beast's heads; and two steps from period practice being other types of heads, including birds' heads.) [Eudoxia d'Antioche, 03/96] In theory, one might also substitute another type of jessant charge: but the history of the lion's face jessant-de-lys makes that improbable as a period motif. The original form of the arms of Cantilou or Cantilupe, Gules, three fleurs-de-lys Or, was modified c.1290 to Gules, three leopards' heads jessant-de-lys Or [Wagner's Historic Heraldry of Britain, p. 43]; so the heads were a modification of the fleurs-de-lys, not the other way around. There are, of course, other examples of animals' heads transfixed by pointed charges (swords, spearheads, etc.) in period; but the specific motif of a head jessant-de-[charge] is unique and separate from those. We must rule, based on the motif's history, that having a head jessant any charge besides a fleur-de-lys is likewise a step from period practice.So we have the use of a head (not a leopard's) jessant, which is one step from period practice; and the use of jessant-de-[not a fleur-de-lys], which is a second step from period practice. (And the ram's head here is definitely jessant: the gold of the trumpet is seen coming out of the ram's mouth, and is in front of the lower jaw.) The two steps together bring this beyond the permissible bounds of heraldic style; it must be returned. Mind you, if this had been Counter-ermine, a straight trumpet Or surmounted by a ram's head cabossed argent armed Or, it would have been acceptable style; and we were tempted to register it that way. But we cannot register a manifestly incorrect blazon merely to avoid a stylistic problem; by the correct blazon for what was submitted, this must be returned. [Æðeluulf munuc, Outlands Returns, Nov 2007 LoAR] [RdD] Rats! [MMM]

RETURNED for non-period style.

Johnathan Whitewolf III (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per pale gules and sable ermined throughout, a wolf rampant argent.

The name is English. The client desires a male name and will not accept Major or Minor changes to the name.

Was documentation for Johnathan Whitewolf III provided for his name? If it wasn't, it is my feeling that the submission should be returned. He should at least taken a stab at it. [MB]

I do not believe "numerals" are registered by the COA. I can only find two names with initials that have been registered and those are English Kings. (Richard III and Edward II.), therefore, I am considering this name as "Johnathan Whitewolf." Since this name removes the middle element, this name does not conflict with the registered SCA name of his mundane grandfather "Johnathan Crusadene Whitewolf." He should be aware, however, that the common usage of his grandfather's name is "Johnathon Whitewolf" and so the two are likely to be confused in everyday life even if the are technically clear of each other.  

However, this name WAS registered to his grandfather: Jonathan of Whitewolfe: This name was changed to Johnathan Crusadene Whitewolf in August of 1986 (via Atenveldt). There is no mention in the Online O&A of this name having been released when it was changed to "Johnathan Crusdene Whitewolf." Absent evidence of that release, his grandfather WILL need to provide a Letter of Permission to conflict for the name.

His desired name also does not conflict with the registered SCA name of his (assumed) mundane father, Johnathan Crusadene Whitewolf the Younger, since it removes two elements of that name. Since there is no conflict, a Letter of Permission to Conflict is not required in the case of the name. However, I would suggest it be obtained anyway regarding his grandfather's name as the common usage of the name is far, far too close. But that is a judgement call for Parhelium. [HdA] Gee. Thanks. [MMM]

From the comments on Tabitha Whitewolf below, I gather that the submitter is the son or grandson of Johnathan Crusadene Whitewolf. He needs to provide proof of that fact. With that proof, the elements Johnathan and Whitewolf should be grandfathered to him. Unfortunately, the suffix III is post period, and is not technically part of a person's name even in modern times (when the oldest living person in the family dies, everyone moves up a notch. Jr. drops the suffix altogether, III becomes Jr., IV becomes III, etc. Technically this is the correct modern format for anyone who is not a reigning monarch.) . However, the byname junior(e) is found in late period in England: Double bynames are rare in our Yorkshire data: only 20 of the 3620 people named in [2] are recorded with two bynames, and in 13 of these cases the second byname is <senior(e)> or <junior(e)>. [2] Assessment Roll of the Poll-Tax for Howdenshire, Etc., in the Second Year of the Reign of King Richard II. (1379). -- (Exchequer Lay Subsidy Rolls, No. 202/69).  Reprinted from the Yorkshire Archaeological Journal, Vol. IX, pp. 129-160. -- http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?2222+0 )

He could probably register Johnathan Whitewolf junior. [RdD]

As there is no charge running off the edge of the field, nothing here is "throughout." Suggest the blazon be reworded to "Per pale gules and sable all ermined, a wolf rampant argent."

I assume this is the famed Johnathan Whitewolf's mundane grandson? (Yes. -- MMM) This device conflicts with that of his mundane grandfather, Johnathon Crusadene Whitewolf:  Johnathan Crusadene Whitewolf: Gules, ermined argent, a wolf rampant argent. Does Johnathon Crusadene Whitewolf provide a Letter of Permission to conflict? Permission to conflict CANNOT be assumed. We need to have written permission on file. [HdA, RdD]

Consider Lothar der Grauwolf: Quarterly gules and pean, a wolf sejant erect reguardant argent, maintaining in the dexter paw a torch and in the sinister a sword Or. There is one CD for the field, but none for rampant vs. sejant erect reguardant and none for the maintained charges. [RdD] Considering how boldly the ermine spots are drawn and none really appearing much to be in a diapered-like arrangement associated with an ermine field, this might benefit from having an orle of ermine spots to provide another charge group (that option would have to be checked for conflict); such a design would clear the issues with both his grandfather's armory and that of Lothar. [MMM]

Name RETURNED for name construction and possible permission to conflict; Device RETURNED for conflict.

Mateo Dominguez: NEW DEVICE: Gules, a chevron between two griffins combatant and a Latin cross flory Or.

This chevron is decidedly debased. So much so, that it looks like a base fimbriated. Fimbriated peripheral ordinaries haven't been registerable for some time. Return for redraw.  Really.

As blazoned, however, there's a conflict with Gaufridus Baldewin Gilbertson: Gules, a chevron between two chess-rooks and a caltrap Or. Only 1 CD present for change to type of secondaries. Unfortunately, simply cotising the chevron won't clear because it would then run into this one: Lochac, Kingdom of Gules, a chevron cotised between three pairs of shears inverted Or. for the Worshipful Company of Broiderers. Making the chevron "couped" runs into this one: Mar Arthursson: Gules, a chevron couped Or. If the client would consider a pall, inverted, there's another conflict, but I believe that a pall inverted cotised is clear. [HdA]

Given the blazon, I'm sure that the client is aiming for a chevron (and would be amenable to one correctly placed). I suspected that there were going to be conflicts with this, so redrawing it at this time seemed to be unwise. Would two chevronels clear conflicts without introducing new ones? [MMM]

RETURNED for conflict.

The following submissions were registered by the SCA College of Arms, March 2008:

Adaleide de Warewic. Device. Per chevron azure and gules, three dogwood blossoms one and two and a tower argent.

This device conflicts with the device of Jamila al-Zuhayriyya, Per pale gules and azure, four quatrefoils in cross argent, which is registered elsewhere on this letter. There is a CD for changes to the field but nothing for changing the type only of one quarter of the charges. Both Adaleide and Jamila are paid members. As Atenveldt's LoI is dated one day earlier than Outlands's LoI, Adaleide's device takes precedence and is registered. She has provided a letter of permission to conflict to Jamila.

The submitted device does not conflict with the device for Aldgytha of Ashwood, Per saltire gules and sable, four roses argent barbed and seeded proper. There is a CD for changes to the field. Dogwood blossoms are essentially quatrefoils, and thus have a CD from roses. This is in line with the precedent: Ærne Clover. Device. Or, a four-leaved clover saltirewise slipped vert. This is clear of conflict with Kathleen Regina the Wild Irish Rose, Or, a rose vert, its stem nowed sable, in chief two lions rampant gules. The type comparison between the primary charges in the devices is, effectively, the difference between a rose and a quatrefoil, and these two charges have a type CD between them: "Quatrefoils and roses do not appear to have been considered equivalent charges in our period" (LoAR of October 1995). [LoAR 08/2002]

This overturns the October 1998 precedent (v. David Cade) which said that there is no difference between dogwood blossoms and roses.

Brian le baylly. Name.

The submitter requested an authentic 13th C Irish name. While the name is a lovely 13th C Anglo-Norman name, and a name that might be found borne by a Norman in Ireland at that time, the language is not Irish Gaelic.

Cristina Rose da Napoli. Device. Azure, a sunflower proper, on a chief argent three goblets gules.

While sunflowers are New World flowers, Parker cites a single instance in English heraldry dated 1614: the arms of Florio (originally from Spain), blazoned Azure, a heliotrope (or sunflower) or issuing from the stalk sprouting out of two leaves vert; in chief the sun in splendour proper. Therefore the use of a sunflower is not a step from period practice.

The fact that Florio's arms have both a sun and a sunflower is evidence that period heralds did not consider these to be the same charge. Therefore, the submitted device is clear of the device for Isabel d'Avignon, Azure, a sun Or, on a chief argent three decrescents azure. There is a CD for the changes to the tertiary charges and another for the difference between a sun and a sunflower.

Edward Harrison. Name and device. Quarterly azure and sable, an eagle and a base indented argent.

Elias Loredan. Badge. Sable, a horse rampant argent charged with a compass rose sable, a bordure embattled argent.

Gallant O'Driscole. Badge. (Fieldless) A thunderbolt sable.

Merewyn of Brittany. Reblazon of device. Per saltire argent and azure, a saltire counterchanged between in pale a Latin cross flory and an axe reversed sable and in fess two suns Or.

Registered in July 1982 with the blazon Per saltire argent and azure, a saltorel counterchanged between in pale a Latin cross flory and an axe reversed sable and in fess two suns Or, a saltorel is couped by default. In this case, the term saltorel referred to the fact it was a skinny saltire. We have corrected the blazon to indicate that the primary charge is a saltire. Please see the Cover Letter for a discussion of saltorels.

Michael of Moria. Reblazon of device. Gules, a saltire counter-ermine between in pale a Celtic cross formy and a cup inverted bendwise Or.

Registered in July 1971 with the blazon Gules, a saltorel counter-ermine between in pale a Celtic cross patty and a cup inverted bendwise, both Or, a saltorel is couped by default. In this case, the term saltorel referred to the fact it was a skinny saltire. We have corrected the blazon to indicate that the primary charge is a saltire. Please see the Cover Letter for a discussion of saltorels.

In period the term cross patty was used to describe a variety of crosses including patonce, formy, and sometimes fleury. As the device is being reblazoned for other reasons, we have elected to more accurately describe the cross.

Richard of Mont Royal, the Short. Reblazon of badge. (Fieldless) On a star of David sable, a saltorel throughout Or.

Registered in June 1973 with the blazon (Fieldless) On a star of David sable, a saltorel Or, a saltorel is couped by default. The blazon has been corrected to indicated that the saltorel in this case is throughout.

Robert MacAlister of Leslie. Badge. Barry wavy argent and azure, a heart and a bordure gules.

Rowena of Cornwall. Name and device. Or, a staff proper, ensigned with a triquetra azure, sustained and entwined by a pithon vert.

The name Rowena was declared no longer SCA-compatible (and hence not registerable barring documentation of its use in period) on the September 2007 Cover Letter. However, we will continue to allow registration of this name as an SCA-compatible name until the May 2008 decision meeting in fairness to submitters who already had a name in progress.

Blazoned on the LoI as a ragged staff, this is simply a staff. A ragged staff (like the bear-and-ragged staff badge of the Warwicks) is almost a pale raguly and couped rather than an actual walking stick. (For ragged staves bendwise or fesswise, of course, substitute the appropriate ordinary.)

Note that the staff and pithon are co-primary charges; normally a charge entwining another is a maintained charge.

Thomas Cyriak Bonaventure. Name.

Timothy Blackwell. Device. Per saltire sable and azure, a phoenix Or and a bordure erminois.

Please advise the submitter that the flames should be drawn as a single mass; they should also be somewhat larger and not have the heavy black outlining that the submitted emblazon had.

Uther the Dark. Badge. (Fieldless) A bear rampant within and conjoined to an annulet argent.

The following submissions were returned by the College of Arms for further work, March 2008: None!

The following submissions were registered by the SCA College of Arms, April 2008:

Ariana Marie della Luna. Name and device. Argent vêtu ployé sable, a turtle gules charged with a decrescent argent.

Submitted as Arianna Marie della Luna, the given name was documented from De Felice, Dizionario dei Nomi Italiani, s.n. Arianna. Precedent holds that this entry suggests the name Arianna is of modern usage:

Submitted as Arianna Faust, there was some question whether the name Arianna was medieval or modern. De Felice, Dizionario dei Nomi Italiani, says the name Arianna derives from a mythological name and from the cult of a Frigian martyr Sant'Arianna and suggests the name may be of modern usage. We have been unable to verify a cult of Sant'Arianna in period outside of the statement made by De Felice. However, the island of Sant'Ariano, an island in the Venetian lagoon, designates Ariano a period Italian saint's name (although it may or may not have been used as a given name, it is a valid part of the naming pool). Arval Benecoeur and Talan Gwynek, "Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names" shows Benvenuto/Benvenuta, Donato/Donata, and Francesco/Francesca. This justifies Ariana as a possible period Italian name. We have changed the name to Ariana Faust to match the available documentation...[Ariana Faust, September 2004]

No additional documentation has been found demonstrating that Arianna is a period form of this name. Therefore, we have changed the name to Ariana Marie della Luna in order to register it.

Ariana Marie della Luna. Badge. (Fieldless) A turtle gules charged with a decrescent argent.

Cassandra la Schrevein. Device. Per pale nebuly purpure and argent, two papyrus plants counterchanged.

The papyrus plants are stylized but recognizable.

Daniel of Twin Moons. Holding name and device (see PENDS for name). Per bend sinister argent and sable, a mullet and a Maltese cross counterchanged.

Submitted under the name Fáelán O'Phelan.

Isabeau Vize. Device. Per bend sinister purpure and vert, a bend sinister engrailed Or.

Kolbj{o,}rn bjarki. Device. Argent, a bear passant gules between three drinking horns azure.

Kolfinna of Bergen. Device. Purpure, three horses passant in annulo and a bordure argent.

Blazoned on the LoI as in annulo widdershins, precedent states:

Rowen Brithwallt. Name change (from Kitare-no-kami Satoko Hinoki no Kiyowara) and device change. Per pale vert and azure, a harp contourny argent between three seals naiant in annulo ermine. There was some question as to the blazon of the seals. My feeling is that the in annulo placement visually dominates, and thus subsumes, any specification of direction. Widdershins vs. deasil is simply an artistic nuance of in annulo, and need not be blazoned." [LoAR 08/1993].

Marceau de Valcourt. Household name Chasteau Marceau and badge. Or, a rapier bendwise sinister within a bordure purpure.

Submitted as Chateau Marceau, there was some question whether French castle names of the form [form of chateau or castel] + [given name] were found in period. Froissart's chronicles provide several examples of this form. These examples are taken from vol 24, "Table analytique des noms géographiques" of Kervyn de Letterhove's edition of Oeuvres de Froissart, which preserves the original spellings. Examples include Chastel-Andreu (vol XII, 383, XIII, 357), Chastiel-Thierry VI, 113, and Chasteau Renault, Chastel-Regnault, XIII, 137, 140, XIV, 370-372, and Chastiel Josselin, III, 368, V 289. However, we have no documentation for the spelling Chateau prior to 1650. We have changed the name to Chasteau Marceau (we note that while this changes the spelling, it does not change the pronunciation), in order to register it.

There was some discussion about sources available to the general researching public for French household names. As a 15th C chronicle, Froissart is an ideal place to look for French names and place names (although, researchers should be aware that many places and people in this chronicle are not French). The 25 volume Kervyn de Letterhov edition is available at the gallica.bnf.fr site -- click Recherche, type "Froissart" in the Auteur field and "kervyn" in the Recherche libre field. This will reveal all 25 volumes of this work. There are two indices, the place name index is volumes 24 and 25; the personal name index is volumes 20-23. While this resource requires some very basic familiarity with French, it is available to anyone with internet access.

Nadezhda Belogorskaia. Name.

Seán an Gleanna. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Submitted as Seán Glenny, the name conflicts with one of the submitter's legal use names, John Glenny. There is insufficient difference in the sound >of these two names for the submission to be registerable.

However, the name can be made registerable by addressing his request for a name authentic for 13th C Ireland. While we cannot make this name authentic for the 13th century (because we do not have any examples of the name Seán before the early 14th century), we can change the name to fully Irish Gaelic form, which will change the sound sufficiently to provide enough difference from the legal use name to make the name registerable.

The byname Glenny was documented as the submitter's legal surname. The Gaelic form of Glenny is an Gleanna, which is dated to 1592 in Mari Elspeth nic Brian "Index of Names in Irish Annals". The same article also has 16th C examples of Seán. We have changed the name to Seán an Gleanna, an authentic 16th C Irish Gaelic name, in order to register it and to partially fulfill the submitter's authenticity request.

Thomas de l'Espee. Device. Per pale argent and azure, in fess a fleur-de-lys between two rapiers inverted counterchanged.

Vésteinn þorkelsson. Name.

Nice Old Icelandic name!

The following submissions were returned by the College of Arms for further work, April 2008:

Ainder ingen Demmáin. Device. Per fess embattled azure and sable, a recorder bendwise sinister Or and three crescents argent.

This device is again returned for administrative reasons: the blazon and the emblazon in OSCAR have a field per fess embattled sable and azure, the blazon on the form is also per fess embattled sable and azure; however, the emblazon on the form sent to Laurel shows per fess embattled azure and sable. Often a tincture mismatch is pended for further conflict checking rather than returned; however, in this case - given the fact that the previous submission was sable and azure and that the blazon on the form is still sable and azure and that there was no indication on the LoI that a change had been made in the field tinctures - we are returning this for clarification of the submitter's desires.

There is an additional problem with this device: the use of a complex line of division between azure and sable portions of the field. Precedent holds:

[Per bend sinister nebuly azure and sable, in bend a Norse sun cross argent and double rose argent and azure.] This has an unregisterable low-contrast complex line of division: "...Finally, we no longer allow combining azure and sable with a complex line of division." (Sep 1997, Returns, Trimaris, Tymm Colbert le Gard) This is one of the combinations that has been held to violate RfS VIII.3, Armorial Identifiability, even without a charge overlying it." [Katerin ferch Gwenllian, LoAR 06/2004, Middle-R]

This problem was not noted in the prior administrative return. If this had been the only problem with the submission we may have considered registering it since we failed to mention the problem previously and this is a timely resubmission. However, as the device is being returned for the problems mentioned above, we are taking this opportunity to note the additional contrast problem. On resubmission, a complex line of division between azure and sable will not be acceptable without evidence of such lines of division in period heraldry. We wish to remind everyone that, while we do try to list all reasons for return, administrative returns don't necessarily address all reasons for return.

Seán an Gleanna. Device. Argent, three martlets gules, on a chief sable a claymore bendwise sinister inverted proper.

This device is returned for administrative reasons: the emblazon on OSCAR shows feet on the martlets while the Laurel copy does not. This is not just a coloring problem as the feet simply do not exist on the copy received by Wreath. We note that martlets should not have feet, though the presence of feet is not sufficient grounds for return. See the Cover Letter of the January 2002 for a discussion on birds; especially of note is the fact that there is period evidence that some heraldic artists (Gelre and Siebmacher) did on occasion draw martlets with feet.

The following submissions were pended by the College of Arms until its December 2008 meetings, April 2008:

Cian O'Cuilin. Name.

The submitter requested an authentic Irish name, but this request was not mentioned in the summary for this item. We are pending this name to give the commenters time to address this request.

Fáelán O'Phelan. Name.

The submitter requested an authentic Irish name, but this request was not mentioned in the summary for this item. We are pending this name to give the commenters time to address this request.

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