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Unto Their Royal Majesties Arthur and Gabriela; Master Seamus, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!

This is the August 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. It precedes the external Letter of Intent that will contain the following submissions that are presented here, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. Where there any submissions this month, know that I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry and consultation. You can send commentary to me privately at or join “Atenveldt Submissions Commentary” at Yahoo! Groups ( ) and post there. (Commentary is often posted in the next month's Letter of Presentation so that all may learn from it, and we can see how additional documentation or comments may have influenced a submission. Please don't be shy!)

Please have commentary to me for the submissions under consideration for the August 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Intent by 15 August 2011. Thanks!

Heraldry Hut: The next Heraldry Hut will be held Friday, 19 August. For more information, directions, etc., please contact me at your convenience ( ).

Speaking of submissions: I accept direct-to-Kingdom submissions from heraldic clients; this might not be the most favorable route to take, particularly if a group has a territorial herald, and everyone can stay more in the “submission loop” if a submission is made in this fashion. However, in some cases, this is the only reasonable and timely way for a submission to be made. Local heralds need to send submissions on in a timely manner as well (i.e., within one month of receiving a submissions packet). If you cannot connect with me at an event (very likely) or attend Heraldry Hut, submissions need to be mailed within one month (yes, that's important!) of a local herald receiving them, unless there is a reason for return at the local level. My address: Linda Miku, 2527 E. 3rd Street, Tucson AZ 85716.

Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too:

Please consider the following submissions for the August 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Allesia de Canaberiis (Granite Mountain): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per chevron inverted gules and or, and edelweiss argent seeded Or, a domino mask and an otter statant contourny sable.

The name is Latinized Swiss. Allesia is a feminine given name, a variant of Alays, found in 14th-15th C Given Names in Latin from Switzerland,” Sara L. Uckelman ( ). de Canaberiis is a surname found in “14th-16th C Names from Valais, Switzerland,” Sara L. Uckelman ( ). The client desires a female name and will not accept Major or Minor changes to the name; she will not accept a Holding name. While I usually suggest that a client be open to corrections, the name elements are Right There in the documentation, and this is a great name.

Given that the line of division is really too high for a correctly-rendered Per chevron inverted..., I'd suggest that the line originate from the corners of the shield and make this a “chief triangular wavy.” (There's a method to my madness, if you wonder why I'm suggesting this...)

Caitríona inghean uí Fáoláin (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Or, an oak tree eradicated proper within an orle azure.

The name is Irish Gaelic. Caitríona is a feminine Early Modern Irish Gaelic name, dated multiple times, 1360 through 1654, in “Index of Names in Irish Annals: Caitríona.” Mari Elspeth nic Bryan ( ). Fáoláin if the genitive case of Fáolán, a male Irish Gaelic name found in “Names and Naming Practices in the Red Book of Ormond (Ireland 14th Century)

by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn ( ). I couldn't pinpoint that information in Tanwystyl's article, but Faolán/Faoláin is shown as an Early Modern Irish Gaelic form in Mari's article, dated in 1203 and 1423 ( ). The construction is one for Irish clan affiliation (as inghean Uí), via “Quick and Easy Gaelic Names,” Sharon L. Krossa ( ). The client desires a female name and is most interested in the spelling (actual spelling) and language/culture (Irish culture). She will not accept Major changes to the name.

Cwenhild Sæweardsdother (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Sable, a sealion Or, in chief two mullets of four points argent and in base a ford.

The name is Old English. Cwenhild is a constructed feminine given name. Cwen is a stand-alone name element, and also serves as a protheme (Cwengyth, Cwenthryth) found in “Anglo-Saxon Women's Names from Royal Charters,” Marieke van de Dal ( ). -hild is a popular deuterotheme (Ælfhild, Burghild, Eormenild), all found in Marieke's article. The individual elements all date between 800-1100 A.D. Sæward is a masculine given name, a variant spelling of Seward (Reaney and Wilson, p. 401, meaning “sea lord”). The patronymic is formed as in Sibbe Ædesdohter, dated 1095, in Reaney and Wilson, p. xviii. The client desires a female name, and is most interested in the sound of the name “Kwenhild, Seaward's daughter.” She will not accept Major changes to the name.

Donndubán O'Domnaill (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME

Donndubán is a masculine Middle Irish Gaelic name, dated 831-1058, in “Index of Names in Irish Annals: Donndubán,” Mari Elspeth nic Bryan ( ). Domnaill is the genitive form of the masculine Middle Irish Gaelic Domnall (actually, these forms persist unchanged 809-1592), in . I think the correct clan affiliation construction would be Ó Domnaill, via “Quick and Easy Gaelic Names,” Sharon L.Krossa ( ). The client desires a male name and will not accept Major changes to the name.

Ellen Redbootes (Granite Mountain): NEW DEVICE

Gules, a ferret rampant within a bordure embattled argent.

The name appears in the 15 July 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Intent.

Kauko Karvulakki (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per chevron azure and vert, two double-bitted axes set chevronwise and a bear passant argent.

The name is Finnish. The elements are found in “Vanhat nimityyppimme (Finnish Names),” Rouva Gertrud ( ). Kauko is a demonstrated masculine name (Kauk- with the terminal -o, in Table 1: Fenno-Ugric naming system, ). Karvulakki is cited as more likely a byname than a given name, as the word karvalakki means “fur hat.” The client desires a male name and is most interested in the language/culture of the name (Finland).

Laura O'Nolloghaine (Granite Mountain): NEW DEVICE

Quarterly gules and sable, a cross throughout argent between two lions in bend and two crosses formy in bend sinister Or.

The name was registered July 2009.

Louis LeFevre (Tir Ysgithr): NEW DEVICE

Per fess nebuly argent and vert, a pale counterchanged, three fleurs-de-lys gules and three falcons one and two argent.

The name is registered. However, I haven't found it listed in the Armorial or among more recent pieces of business in OSCAR.

Philomena Scrima (Granite Mountain): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per chevron purpure and sable, three dragonflies in pall tails to center, a bordure wavy argent.

Philomena is an English feminine given name dated to 1202 and 1279 in “Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames: Philomena,” Talan Gwynek ( ). Scrima is the client's legal grandfather's surname (it is Italian), and a copy of his baptismal certificate (dated to 1913) is included in the documentation, in the hope that this might be considered as a legal name element that she might be entitled to use. If it could be used, this might be a problem, as the legal loophole (I think) is treated as a step from period practice, and the combination of English and Italian name elements are also one SFPP; two SFPPs are a cause for return. While I haven't found an example, however, it seems to me that there might be a period Italian form (Filomen(a)) as a male and female name, which would eliminate the English/Italian combinatoin; Withycombe notes that there is a St. Philomena (undated) that gave rise to the use of it as a female name in Italy in the 19th C. with the discovery of relics in Rome in 1802 (3rd edition, p. 245, s.n. Philomena). The client desires a female name and will not accept Major or Minor changes to the name.

The following submissions appear in the July 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

This month's commentators are Gunnvor silfrahárr [Gs], Helena de Argentoune [HdA], Jeanne Marie Lacroix [JML], and Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy [MMM].

Clarice Alienor Neep (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME CHANGE from Clarice Alienor Aldinoch

The current name was registered September 2010. If the change is registered, she wishes to maintain Clarice Alienor Aldinoch as an alternate name.

The name is English. Clarice is a feminine given name dated 1191 (as Claris) 1273 and 1296 in “Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames,” Talan Gwynek ( ). Alienor is a feminine given name dated c. 1202 and 1211 in the same source. Neep is an English surname, an undated header (Neap, Neep) in Reaney and Wilson, A Dictionary of English Surnames, 3rd edition, p. 320; the earliest dated spelling is 1279, as (le) Nep. The client desires a female name and is most interested in the spelling. She will not accept a holding name.

Günter Haller (Tir Ysgithr): NEW DEVICE: Sable, a cross formy thoughout gules fimbriated, five wolves passant in saltire and a bordure Or.

RfS VIII.3 states: "Voiding and fimbriation may only be used with simple geometric charges placed in the center of the design."
A cross formy fitched at the foot is not simple enough to fimbriate (November, 2009 LoAR
A cross moline is too complex to fimbriate. [Andrew Talbot, 07/99, R-Ansteorra]
I tried applying the photoreduction test, and the cross formy is not simpleenough to fimbriate. See:
If the cross WAS able to be fimbriated, then we'd still need to widen thebordure and the line of fimbriation. See:
I believe it would much better to ditch the fimbriation altogether and go for a documented regional exception, and submit: Sable, a cross formy thoughout gules, five wolves passant in saltire and a bordure Or.
Alternately, the client might choose a cross that can be fimbriated: Sable, a cross gules fimbriated, five wolves passant in saltire and a bordure Or.
Rietstap ( )
ACTON - England - (Van Epen) - Gules, a cross Sable, a bordure engrailed Ermine.
Großes Wappenbuch, enthaltend die Wappen der deutschen Kaiser, der europäischen Königs- und Fürstenhäuser, der Päpste und Kardinäle, Bischöfe und Äbte bis zu den lebenden Repräsentanten zur Zeit der Regentschaft Kaiser Rudolfs II. Und Papst Gregors XIII. - Cod.icon. 333 [S.l.] Süddeutschland 1583,00006.html
Top row, third (can't read the name): {Blazoning only quarters 2 & 3} Sable a cross bottony gules.
John Ludwig Bartenschlager. Genealogische Register Stadt Schaffhausen: Familienwappen, 1744.\er/
"The genealogical records are now kept in the City Archives Schaffhausen. They are among the great treasures and give amazingly precise information about the families of the town of Schaffhausen. They were created by Johann Ludwig Bartenschlager (1692-1773) in 1744 (10 volumes), after the death of Johann Jacob Veith (1765-1845) and later continued by Hans Wilhelm Harder (1810 to 1872) (12
Bartenschlager Band 3, Hafen: Gules in base a cauldron sable lidded Or.\er/Bartenschlager_3/Hafen.html
Bartenschlager Band 4, Keller: Sable, a man statant proper robed gules wearing a cap of maintenance gules and ermine, maintaining in dexter hand a key or, upon a trimount issuant from base vert.\er/Bartenschlager_4/Keller_2.html
Bartenschlager Band 4, Köchlin: Per fess per pale or and sable and gules, in chief a demi-man issuant from the fess line in a gown counterchanged, wearing a torse sable and or, maintaining in dexter hand a bunch of grapes Or, and in base a cauldron sable within a wreath vert.\er/Bartenschlager_4/K%C3%B6chlin.html
Bartenschlager Band 5, Neidhardt: Gules, a bear sejant erect sable maintaining a vase with three flowers argent.\er/Bartenschlager_5/Neidhardt.html
Timms, Brian. Early Rolls of Arms.
Houdainville 1049: Gules a cross sable papelonny argent (Armorial Wijnbergen, Beauvaisis, Nos 1021 - 1082)
149 Henri le Waleis: Gules a fess sable (Charles' Roll Nos 101-150)
309 William de Seint Martin: Sable six lions rampant gules (Charles' Roll Nos 301 - 350)
503 Hugh de Autrive: Sable a fess indented argent overall a bend gules (Collins' Roll, Part 10, Nos 501-550)
782 Henry de Lizy: Sable five annulets argent within a bordure gules (Armorialdu Hérault Vermandois, Francoys, Part 3, Nos 770 - 841)
879 ---: Gules three bars sable (Armorial Wijnbergen, Vermandois, Nos 874 - 920)
The Zurich Roll ( has these:
#99 MANDACH: Per fess gules and sable, in chief a Moor's head sable. (color-on-color)
#185 EZELMARX: Gules, a pair of arms palewise embowed hands appaumy proper vested sable issuant from a trimount issuant from base or. (color-on-color)
#385 zum Angen: Gules, a pale sable within a bordure or. (color-on-color) [Gs]

This is NOT a cross formy "fitched at the foot" which cannot be fimbriated. This IS a simple "cross formy."
Crosses formy ARE simple enough to fimbriate and have been registered several since Feb. 1991. Beginning with this one: Burke Kyriell MacDonald: (Fieldless) On a cross formy gules fimbriated, a lion rampant guardant Or. (for House Wokiah)

A cross formy throughout IS a "simple geometry charge placed in the center of a design." Ordinary crosses are fimbriate-able, SO are crosses formy (which are just as simple).
Note this registration from 2011: Wiglaf Sigeberhting (The following device associated with this name was registered in March of 2011 (via Atlantia)): Azure platy, a cross formy nowy gules fimbriated Or.

Agreed that the fimbriation on the cross as rendered is too thin, but a note to the artist on that point usually suffices.
What is a little off is the blazon. Since one of the wolves is a tertiary charge, we must blazon it thusly: Sable, on a cross formy throughout gules fimbriated between four wolves passant in saltire a wolf passant Or. [HdA]

The client was contacted about this, and he prefers keeping the cross fimbriated, if it is at all possible. [MMM]

Curlew Drogheala (Ered Sul): CHANGE OF DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, June 2011: Argent, in pale a raven statant upon and pecking a single-horned anvil reversed sable, a base rayonny gules.

The original submission, Argent, in pale a raven statant upon and pecking a single-horned anvil reversed sable issuant from flames gules., was returned for conflict and for the use of three dissimilar co-primary charges (“slot machine heraldry”). The client has removed the flames from the base of the anvil and is using a base rayonny instead.

Considering Alexsander von Mausheim (device, 10/2005, An Tir), Or, in pale a raven maintaining a reed pen inverted perched atop an anvil sable., there is 1 CD for the change of field tinctures and 1 CD for the addition of the secondary charge.

Ellen Redboots (Granite Mountain): NAME RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, April 2010

This was originally submitted as “Ellen of the Red Boots,” and was held in-kingdom for clarification, as several commenters thought that the construct failed: no documentation for “of the” was provided, and that names like this in Jönsjö are seen as <given name> + <nickname> formations. The client has decided to go with the demonstrated construction of the byname.

The name is English. Ellen is a feminine given name dated to 1296 and 1324, in ““Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames,” Talan Gwynek, . It is also the client's legal given name.

The byname Redboots is based on similar constructions found in Middle English Nicknames, I. Compounds, Jan Jönsjö. Redhod, “one who wears a red hood,” is dated to 1300-03 and found on p. 151, and other byname elements include articles of apparel like stockings, hats and shoes. The spelling Boots is seen in 1597 (COED); those earlier are spelling bootes.

The client desires a female name and is most interested in the meaning of the name (she is known for her wearing of red boots). She will not accept Major changes to the name.

Joscelin de Lyons (Twin Moons): BLAZON CORRECTION: Per pall inverted purpure, Or ermined gules, and sable, two lions addorsed regardant Or and purpure and a joscelyn wreathed Or and gules, belled argent.

The name was registered September 1991. This device change was registered in July 2009 as Per pall inverted purpure, Or ermined gules, and sable, two lions addorsed Or and purpure and a joscelyn wreathed Or and gules, belled argent. (The fact that the lions were regardant was accidentally omitted from the blazon.) The emblazon shows them clearly being regardant, only no one (starting with me and the omission in the blazon found in the Atenveldt Letter of Intent dated 25 March 2009 , item 35) caught the mistake in the blazon. We ask that the College corrects the blazon to match the emblazon that was submitted in the Letter of Intent (and which the client really wants!).

Otto Christoph Von Frankenau (Granite Mountain): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Lozengy gules and argent, a goat clymant sable.

There are several masculine given names in “German Names from Rottweil, Baden-Württemberg, 1441.” Sara L. Uckelman

( ) that also appear in the same paper as unenhanced surnames (Fritz, Frantz and Michel among them). [MMM]

Sarah Axford (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME

Valdís Eiríksdóttir: NEW DEVICE: Argent, a horse's head erased sable and in dexter chief a mullet of four points gules.

Your return of Argent, a horse's head erased sable and in dexter chief a mullet of four points gules. for conflict with Eoin MacGriogair: Argent, a chess knight sable crined gules is mistaken. There is a CD between a horse's head and a chess knight (but not between a horse's head and a single-headed chess knight). Precedent: “... and another CD for the change from a horse's head to the default double-headed chess knight. As Palimpsest notes, “... the reason for the conflict of the single-headed chess knight and a horse's head is visual. The double-headed chess knight is a period charge (found in Siebmacher in the arms of Hertzheim) so the visual standard does not apply. Even were it to apply it would clear the conflict, but the applicable standard is whether the charges were considered equivalent by period heralds. There is no reason to believe that this was the case for double-headed chess knights and horse's heads, so this submission is clear.” [Joseph Angus Wilson, 09/2001, A-Calontir] [JML]
Also, the curve of the horse's neck follows examples of couped (not erased) cited in a discussion of Couped and Erased in the November 2011 LoAR. “...Another form of [period] couping showed a smooth shallow concavity (ref. 6: Pastoureau, op. cit., p. 12; on-line Manesse Codex

( ); Pastoureau, op. cit., p. 60 (also on-line Manesse codex ). Sometimes there was an extreme concavity, particularly in Continental sources (Ref. 7: Neubecker, op. cit., p. 116, unicorn's heads: this is a citation from the Zuricher Wappenrolle, which can be found in an on-line version ( ) on strip 2, front p. 9 (Helmsdorf). ). This concavity appears to be anatomically based on the shoulders of the beast. Any of these forms are acceptable for depictions of couped heads.” This was a point also brough up by Jeanne Marie.

I've contacted the client with this information, and she has asked that the submission be sent on as originally submitted. There will be a redrawing of the horse's head, so that a “clean,” identifiable profile of the horse results. [MMM]

Gunnvor silfrahárr notes that the correct spelling of the byname should be Eiríksdóttir, not Eiriksdóttir, as it appeared in the June 2011 LoI. [MMM]

The following submissions were registered by the SCA College of Arms, May 2011:

Elnor Howard. Badge. (Fieldless) Two hawk's lures in fess azure and gules conjoined by the cords.

Blazoned on the Letter of Intent as having an annulet Or at the joint of the cords, the annulet is so small that it is considered an artistic detail.

Fiona inghean Mheg Uidhir. Badge. (Fieldless) A cow statant gules.

Gelleia de Horslaporte. Name and device. Quarterly azure and argent, a butterfly counterchanged.

The submitter expressed a preference for a form of Juliana with an initial G; the submitted given name is a pet form of Juliana. She may wish to know that Giliana is also found as a period name (dated to 1194 and later in Talan Gwynek's "Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames").

Irone of the Blue Star. Reblazon of device. Sable, a python displayed Or winged argent and in chief a mullet of seven points azure fimbriated Or.

Blazoned when registered as Sable, a python displayed Or, winged argent, issuant from the head a plume, in chief a mullet of seven points Or, voided azure, the mullet is azure, not Or.

Jeuls de Caen. Name and device. Argent, three piles inverted in point azure, in dexter chief a leaf vert.

Jeuls is the submitter's legal given name.

The following submissions were returned by the College of Arms for further work, May 2011:

None. (yay!)

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

c/o Linda Miku

2527 East 3rd Street

Tucson AZ 85716

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