Brickbat's - June 2003 ILoI Page

Per chevron inverted gules and Or, three crescents entwined and a foxglove slipped and leaved vert.

Annora and Elena are both found as feminine given names, attested to prior to 1450 in “Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames,” Talan Gwynek ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/ ). Roana is also found in this source, dated prior to 1250. William de Warenne, who fought with William the Conqueror, is cited as “Lord of the Sussex rape of Lewes, with castle there; created Earl of Surrey, 1088; died same year from an arrow.”, in “The Domesday Book” ( http://www.domesdaybook.co.uk/landownersu-z.html ). To folks who are citing a large website, it probably doesn’t hurt to give the URL of the specific “page,” rather than just the introductory page–this save time wandering through the whole website, searching for the necessary citation (and I’m just as guilty of that, in only citing the introductory page of Talan’s expansive article, above).

Just a quick comment from Marta: this would look so much better if the crescents were arranged in fess across the chief, and it would increase the identifiability of the charges immeasurably.

Cassandra Attewoode (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Argent, a rose azure, leaved within a wreath of thorns vert.

Cassandra is a Greek feminine name, found in England as far back as 1182, “Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames, Index of Names Attested Between 1250 and 1450: C to E,” Talan Gwynek ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/index_mid2.html ). Attewoode is a locative byname, dated to 1243, “at the wood” (“A Brief Introduction to Medieval Bynames,” Talan Gwynek and Arval Benicoeur, http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/bynames/ ).

Flavia Elena Glamorganshire (Sundragon): NEW DEVICE

Per pale argent and vert, a panther sejant to sinister, forepaw raised, and a bear passant, respectant counterchanged, on a chief azure three cinquefoils argent.

The name appears in the 15 February 2003 Atenveldt Letter of Intent.

Phineas MacGoldrick (Twin Moons): NEW NAME, DEVICE and BADGE

Quarterly gules and argent, in bend two crosses patee gules each charged with a fleur-de-lys Or.

(fieldless) A cross patee per pale gules and Or charged with a fleur-de-lys counterchanged.

Phineas is a very late period masculine given name (16th-17th C.) used in England (p. 245, Withycombe, 3^rd edition, s.n. Phine(h)as). Phineas Fletcher, 1582-1650, was an English poet and hymnist (http://www.cyberhymnal.org/bio/f/l/fletcher_p.htm ). (I love that name–sounds like someone out of the Harry Potter universe!) MacGoldrick is the anglicized form of the Irish Gaelic Mag Ualghairg (p. 204, Black; also Woulfe, s.n. Mag Ualghairg).

Ragnarr Gunnarsson (Twin Moons): NEW HOUSEHOLD NAME, Halir yórs

The personal name was registered February 2003.

The household name is Old Norse, “Thor’s Heroes.” Halr is shown as “man, hero,” in An Introduction to Old Norse, E.V. Gordon, second edition, Oxford: Clarendon Press, and this is said to be the plural form; yórs is said to be the genitive form of yór.

Svana Ormstunga Vermundardóttir (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per fess indented argent and sable, in chief three bees one and two sable, and in base a duck statant, Or.

The name is Old Norse, with documentation provided by the Academy of Saint Gabriel. Svana is a rare feminine given name (Lind, E.H., Norsk-Isländska Dopnamn ock Fingerade Namn frDn Medeltiden, Uppsala & Leipzig: 1905-1915, sup. Oslo, Uppsala and Kobenhavn:

1931). The byname Ormstunga means “serpent-tongue” (ibid.). The patronymic translates to “daughter of Vermundr.” The report can be found in its entireity at http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?1816+0 .

The device submission forms need to have the emblazon the same size as the shield blank on the form. The emblazon here is nearly a 50% reduction of that standard size; please don’t do this, as I have to recreate (or return) these forms for correction. The indentations on the ordinary should be fewer and larger–“the pinking shears” variety of indented, as seen in Fox-Davies, is a post-period/Victorian representation of that line of division. Lines of division need to be Big! Bold! and Butch! to allow for easy identification. The bees on the forms are blazoned as “proper,” but they appear as sable, and so the blazon has been adjusted accordingly.

The following are included in the 25 June 2003 Atenveldt Letter of Intent (note potentially new commentary):

[I was assisted by commentary from Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Midrealm) [AmC]; Canute (residence unknown) [Can]; Da'ud ibn Auda, al-Jamal Herald (Ansteorra) [DbA]; Gwynneth Wenche of White (Aurochsford) [GWW]; Juliana la Caminante de Navarra (Mons Tonitrus);Isabel d’Auron (BoAtenveldt); Lucien d'Artois, Red Raven Pursuivant (Barony of the South Downs, Meridies) [Ld’A]; and folks attending the June meeting of Heraldry Hut. Brickbat’s specific comments are noted as [MMM].]

Esa Gullhrafna (Twin Moons): NEW NAME

The byname Hrafna- found in my article is a preposed byname. It would not be appropriate in a compound, but rather the construction would be Hrafna-Esa 'Raven-Esa'. The same is true of Gull-; it is also a preposed byname, though in its case, it is found in some compounds, as mentioned on the LoI. I'm not sure the bynames "gold-bearer" and "gold-beard"

support the construction "gold-raven", and I would recommend using these bynames as they are documented, e.g. either Hrafna-Esa or Gull-Esa. I can whole-heartedly recommend either. [AmC]

gull- and hrafna- appear to be prefixes, as indicated by the hyphen following the name elements. I am in no way indicating that the name could not be registered as such, as I am not an expert on Norse naming practices, but I thought I would mention it nonetheless. [Ld’A]

While hrafna- is shown as a preposed byname, the ON word for raven is hrafn (An Introduction to Old Norse, Second Edition, E.V. Gordon, Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1966 Reprint). I would argue for gullhrafn as a construction similar to and gullskeggr – perhaps not a demonstrated period construction, but the closest to what the submitter wants. [MMM]

Evarr Brynjólfsson (Tir Ysgithr) CHANGE OF HOLDING NAME, “Scott of Tir Ysgithr,” from Laurel February 2003 and NEW DEVICE

Per chevron argent and azure, two bearded axes in saltire sable and a wolf sejant contourny ululant argent.

The original name submission, Ulfgar Thegnson, was returned for presumption (with the title Thegn used as an element of the name). The submitter wishes and 8^th C. Icelandic name. Evarr is a masculine given Old Norse name, found in “Viking Names found in the Landnámabók,” Aryanhwy merch Catmael ( http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/landnamabok.html ). Brynjólfr is found in the same source. It seems that the patronymic should drop the terminal -r and use a single -s-, hence Brynjólfson; the submitter allows minor changes to the name.

If registered, a joint badge registered to Scott of Tir Ysgithr and Ragnarr Gunnarsson (Per bend sinister wavy argent and azure, two bearded axes in saltire sable and three Thor's hammers Or.) in February 2003 should reflect this change of holding name.

Alexandria LeFPvre (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME

Alexandria, a feminine form of the masculine given name, Alexander, is found in England by 1218 (Withycombe, 3^rd edition, p. 14, s.n. Alexandra). The byname is a French surname. LefPvre found under FPvre in Dauzat p. 254, and Lefebvre is found in “Sixteenth Century Norman Names,” Cateline de la Mor ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/cateline/norman16.html ). LeFevre is the spelling of a legal family name on the submitter’s maternal side, and she wishes to have her registered byname as close to this as possible.

le Fevre is documented as a surname in the Essex Feet of Fines in 1248: Abraham le Fevre (Reaney and Wilson, s.n. Feaver), making this an entirely English documentable name. [Ld’A]

The accent is a modern editorial addition, so it should be removed. Le Fevre is found in my article "French Names from Paris, 1421, 1423, & 1438" (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/paris1423.html), and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it written as one word, e.g. LeFevre or Lefevre, by the 16^th century. The name combines English and French, which is registerable, but she may be interested to know that no feminine form of Alexander has yet been found in France before 1600. [AmC]

Ann Busshenell of Tylehurst (Barony of Atenveldt): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, October 2002

Gules, three bendlets abased argent, each charged with a bendlet azure, in sinister chief an hourglass argent charged with a needle sable.

The submitter’s name was registered in March 2002.

The submitter’s original device submission, Gules, three bendlets abased azure fimbriated and in sinister chief an hourglass argent charged with a needle sable., was returned for violation of RfS VIII.3: "Voiding and fimbriation may only be used with simple geometric charges placed in the center of the design." The bendlets abased were not in the center of the design and therefore their fimbriation was not acceptable.

The design has since been redrawn so as the azure bendlets charging the argent ones are definitely tertiary charges, not dark primary charges that require thin fimbriation to avoid a tincture violation with the field. The argent portion of the bendlet “flanking” the azure bendlet is nearly the same width, on either side, of the tertiary charge itself.

Anne du Bosc (Atenveldt): NEW NAME

The spelling of the name was incorrect in the May IloI; it ought to be Anne. [MMM]

Baldric der Krieger (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME

Baldric is listed as a masculine given name in “Germanic Names in the Low Lands before 1150, male names A-F,” in a Dutch Living History website, Kees Nieuwenhuijsen ( http://www.keesn.nl/names/name3_en.htm ). der Krieger is German, “the warrior” (Langenscheidt’s German-English English-German Dictionary, The Langenscheidt Editorial Staff, 1973).

Was any documentation submitted that serves to demonstrate that "the warrior" is a reasonable byname, in German or any other language? It may very well be, but a bald citation from a dictionary is not sufficient for purposes of registration in the SCA. [DbA]

Bahlow (s.n. Baldrich) documents Konr. Bäldrich in 1480 (Ravensburg), Ludolf Bolderich in 1296 (Rostock), Baldrich, Earl of Lorraine in the 11th C., and Earl and Bishop Baldrich of Liege in the 10th C. [Ld’A]

Bahlow (s.n. Kriegk, Krieger = ‘quarreler’) documents Joh. Criec (Chrieger) in 1260. [Ld’A]

I would drop the definite article, unless evidence can be found that it should be used. Brechenmacher has a few more citations s.n. Krieger: Gerlachus dictus Krigere 1312, whose byname was also spelled Krieger. [AmC]

Cainneth MacFie (Mon Tonitrus): NEW NAME and DEVICE (to be submitted as Cináed MacFie)

Per bend sinister gules and azure, a falcon close contourny and an orle argent.

MacFie is an anglicized name, but a mixed Gaelic/anglicized names are registerable. I recommending correcting this to Cionaodh MacFie. [AmC]

Anglicized forms of the surname in period are documented in Reaney and Wilson (s.n. McFee), which includes Thomas Macdoffy in 1296, Archibald McKofee in 1506, and Morphe mcphe in 1531. [Ld’A]

[Device: Per bend sinister gules and azure, a falcon close contourny and an orle argent.] As falcons are "close" by default, we can safely drop "close" from the blazon. However, that it is also regardant is not, and must be specified in the blazon. Usually, charges are said to be "within" an orle. Blazon fu: Per bend sinister gules and azure, a falcon contourny regardant within an orle argent. [DbA], [Ld’A], [Can]

Many questions came up on this one. At first very simple. Then one lifer (grew up in the SCA) noticed that the border sat on the (per) bend (sinister line) with the (per) bend (sinister line) going through, should the bend also go through the border as well? That would "break" the border in half. [GWW]

This isn’t a bordure (which, if it were, would be a fimbriated bordure, and one cannot fimbriate a one-sided ordinary like bordures, chiefs, and flaunches), but rather an orle. The orle lies over the field and is correctly rendered here. I’ve contacted the submitter about the misinterpretation of Cainneth as Kenneth, and he wishes to submit the name Cináed MacFie; Cináed might be temporally incompatible with the later period MacFie, but he has made it known that the spelling of the surname as MacFie is most important to him. [MMM]

Hallbjorg hin Miskunnarlausa (Atenveldt): NEW DEVICE

Per chevron inverted purpure and sable, a chevron inverted betweeen two unicorns rampant addorsed argent and a wyvern displayed head to sinister Or.

The name appears in the 15 March 2003 Atenveldt LoI.

The default arrangement of charges around a chevron inverted is one and two. In this arrangement, the charges are too small. The highly detailed unicorns are not identifiable. Return for violating RfS VIII.3 [Can]

Cramped, busy. The comments were to simplify the design, separate the unicorns, move them to each side giving a sort of balance. One comment, can the cheveron be flipped? this would give more space for the unicorns if they are split and moved. Overall this device is busy and confusing. [GWW]

These are valid style points, but there is nothing overwhelming here to merit a return based on style alone; the use of simpler depictions of the unicorns, not the Fox-Davies extravagant ones) would make them more easily identifiable, for example. [MMM]

Lughaidh Cruidire (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME

The name is Irish Gaelic. Lughaidh is a masculine given name, dated to 1337 (“Index of Names in Irish Annals: Lughaidh,” Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Lughaidh.shtml ). Cruidire is a descriptive byname, “the harper” (“Index of Names in Irish Annals: Descriptive Bynames: Cruidire,” Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/DescriptiveBynames/Cruidire.shtml ).

The byname isdated to 630, 634 in the Annals. Thus, combining it with a given name dated from the 14^th C..is a weirdness. Since this is the only one, this is registerable, though not authentic. [AmC]

Maddelena du Lamour Vrai (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME CHANGE from “Madeleine du Lamour Vrai”

The submitter’s current name was registered June 1998. The spelling Maddalena is found in “Feminine Given Names from the Online Catasto of Florence of 1427,” Arval Benicoeur (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/catasto/). The submission is a slight variation of the documented name, which, if there is a problem, the submitter will accept.

Since Madelena is found in Rhian Lyth's "Italian Renaissance Women's Names" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/rhian/italian.html), the proposed spelling should definitely be fine. [AmC]

Masala al-raqq~sa al-dihl§ (Windale): CHANGE OF HOLDING NAME, “Masala of Atenveldt,” from Laurel, July 2002

The submitter’s original name submission, Masala bint Humayun al Delhi, was returned for Arabic and Indian languages within name phrases, which is prohibited under RfS III.1.a, linguistic consistency within a name element. Humayun is a non-Arabic name. The locative byname was also incorrectly formed, and al-Jamal Herald suggested that the masculine form from someone from Delhi to be al-Delhiwayyi, and the feminine form to be al-Delhiwayyia. The form that locative bynames take in Mughal would need to be documented as matching those in Arabic, or Delhi would need to be documented as an Arabic form of this placename, for the forms mentioned by al-Jamal to be registerable.

Raqq~sa is Arabic for “a female professional dancer,” one who makes a living by dancing (p. 354, A Dictionary of Modern Written Arabic, Third Printing, Hans Wehr, edited by J. Milton Cowan, MacDonald and Evans Ltd., London, 1980); the masculine form is raqq~s. The same source lists the Arabic form of the Delhi as dilh§ (p. 296, ibid.). If the place name needs to be altered as mentioned above to suggest that this is a person from Delhi rather than “being” Delhi itself (hence, something like al-dilh§wayyia), the submitter is agreeable to that. It is most important that the name reflects that she is Masala the Dancer.

The second byname needs to be corrected to <al-Delhiwayyia>, as suggested by al-Jamal. Unless support can be found for <raqqsa> or <raqqs> before 1600, this element should be dropped. It doesn't show up in any of Da'ud's articles available online, but if you (or someone else) has access to the proceedings from this year's KW, you may want to look at his new & improved article. [AmC]

The given name is not documented in the ILoI. Where does it come from?

Is "dancer" really transliterated as *raqqsa* in Wehr? I've usually seen it as *raqq_a_sa* or *rakkasa*.

If *dihl* is truly given as the Arabic for Delhi, then a man from *Dihl* would be *al-Dilhi*; a woman from there would be *al-Dilhiyya*.

The first letters of "Dancer" and "Delhi" should be capitalized to conform with standard transliteration practice: *Masala al-Raqq[a]sa al-Dilhiyya*. [DbA]

The given name, the only element registered in the holding name was documented in the March 2002 Atenveldt Letter of Intent: “The name is Arabic, "Masala daughter of Humayun from Delhi". Masala is the feminine form of the Arabic masculine given name Masal, which is found in "Arabic Names and Naming Practices," by Da'ud ibn Auda; in the introduction to that article, the author comments that "most of the masculine "given" names can be feminized by the addition of "a" or "ah" to the end." Nuts on the occupational byname; I misspelled it, it ought to be raqq~sa (raqq~s for a male dancer)–that’s why it’s nice to have Master Da’ud looking over my shoulder... (Then again, it seems that this and the dihl§ spelling were correct in my hard copies of the Internal LoI’s, but the diacritical letters were lost with the letter was posted to the website...grrrrr...but in the .wpd transport) I tend to I think Wehr’s transliteration of Delhi as dihl§ rather than D/dehli might be matter of his transliteration policy and pattern. What is important to the submitter is that she is known as Masala the Dancer (rendered into Arabic). [MMM]

Ricchar Terrien the Goth (Londinium): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per saltire azure and sable a drakkar and a bordure embattled argent.

Ricchar is a masculine given name demonstrated by Gregory of Tours and found in “Early Germanic Names from Primary Sources,” Nicolaa de Bracton of Leicester ( http://members.tripod.com/nicolaa5/articles/german.html ). Terrien is a French byname, “man of the earth,” which even in a very early period (5th-9th C.) would suggest a common profession of the time, such as farmer (Bahlow, p. 566 s.n. Terre). Although submitted as the Goth, as we’ve been unable to determine what the French, German, or Goth descriptive of such an individual would be; whatever is more appropriate is acceptable.

This was a direct-to-kingdom submission (which is fine; the local herald will receive the necessary office copy). The original submission, Sable, a drakkar and a bordure embattled argent., had the bordure drawn too thin, but it was also in conflict with Runa Ragnarsdóttir: Sable, a drakkar argent. There is one CD for the addition of the bordure. The submitter chose a divided field to provide the second CD to clear the conflict.

What is all the "fretty" on the sail? If it's in a contrasting tincture, it is drawn significantly enough that it looks like "argent fretty [tincture]", and will probably fall afoul of the restriction on charged sails. "There is a long-standing precedent in Society heraldry which considered charged sails as being equivalent to arms of pretense and therefore forbidden for Society usage." (LoAR 28 Dec 86, p. 13) [DbA]

All the fiddly bits (the fretty on the sail, the facial and clothing details on the men), are all argent, giving the outline of the ship and sail more definition than a blobby profile. This design suffers a lot from reduction and looks much better in its original size.[MMM]

Sara Boone (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Gules, an increscent, a decrescent and an owl argent.

The name is English. The spelling of Sara is dated to the York Poll Tax 1379 (Withycombe, 3^rd edition, p. 264).

Boone is an undated form of the English family name Boon, which dates to 1279 (Reaney and Wilson, s.n. Boon, p. 42).

Bardsley s.n. Boon dates the desired spelling of the surname to a 1614 marriage license. [AmC]

Sely Bloxsom (Tir Ysgithr): CHANGE OF HOLDING NAME, “Jerrine of Tir Ysgithr” from Laurel, January 2003

Cool name. [AmC]

Seamus Sinclair (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME CHANGE from “Shamus Sinclair”

OCM s.n. Séamus says that this was "a borrowing through English and French of the Latin Jacobus. This name was common among the Anglo-Norman settlers in Ireland and was adopted by the native Irish." [AmC]

Silvia la Cherubica di Viso (Mons Tonitrus): NEW BADGE

Argent, three fleurs-de-lys gules and a bordure invected azure.

Var the Silent (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME

Var is an Old Norse masculine given name found in King Hrolf and his Champions, cited in “A Collation of Viking Names,” Stephen Francis Wyley (http://www.angelfire.com/wy/svenskildbiter/Viking/viknams3.html#Male%20U. ). the Silent is a descriptive epithet, dating to 1565 for the “usual” meaning, and also meaning “taciturn, reserved” (Compact Oxford English Dictionary). (The submitter does not wish to have the byname rendered into Old Norse.)

I have my doubts about the scholarship of the website used to document Var. Some of the names have been more or less normalized, others have not, others are less clearly Norse as they are Old English. Var is not in Geirr Bassi, nor is it a reasonable proto- or deutero- theme. I would send this name on only with trepidation. The byname zegjandi 'silent' is found once in the Landnamabok (see my "Viking Bynames found in the Landnámabók" (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/vikbynames.html)), so the byname the Silent should be registerable via the lingua anglica allowance. [AmC]

The following submissions are returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds, June 2003, for further work:

Anne du Bosc: NEW DEVICE

Vert, on a plate a pot sable.

Conflict with Anne of the Golden Mantle, Vert, on a plate a swan naiant, couped on the fess line, sable. There is but one CD, for the substantial change to the tertiary charge. [DbA] per RfS X.4.j Changes to Charges on Charges - “Changes to a group of charges placed entirely on other charges may create one clear difference.” [Ld’A]

Also conflicts with Rhithyn yr Gwlad yr Hav: Azure, a plate charged with a cauldron and a domestic cat in its

curiosity sable. There is a single CD for field, no CD for number only of tertiary group.[Can]

There must be at least two cumulative differences between tertiary charge groups to garner a CD in the case of Rhithyn’s armory, be it tincture, type, number (as is the case here) or orientation. [MMM]

DEVICE returned for conflict.

Anna Carye (Atenveldt): NEW DEVICE

Per fess azure and gules, a fess between a trout naiant contourny and a lighthouse argent.

Conflict with Yugoslavia, Per fess azure and gules, a fess argent. There is but one CD, for the addition of the secondary charges [DbA] per RfS X.4.b. Addition of Charges on the Field; “Adding or removing any group of charges placed directly on the field, including strewn charges, is one clear difference.” [Ld’A], [Can]

This was a heartbreaker, a simple piece of armory that runs afoul of a Rule. The easiest remedy is to use a complex line of division on the fess, which would clear the conflict with Yugoslavia (it might cause a new conflict, so that one would have to be checked as well). [MMM]

Bryon l'Ours d'Argent de Bourgogne (Mons Tontritus): NEW BADGE

Per pale sable and gules, two bears combattant argent.

This device is a possible conflict with Morrigan Fitz-Rolf: (Fieldless) Two polar bears combattant proper, gorged of belled collars Or. [Thalarctos maritimus]. There is one CD for the field per RfS X.4.a.iii. Fieldless Difference - “A piece of fieldless armory automatically has one clear difference from any other armory, fielded or fieldless.” There may or may not be a second CD between the argent bears and the polar bears, per RfS X.4.e. Type Changes - “Significantly changing the type of any group of charges placed directly on the field, including strewn charges or charges overall, is one clear difference.” It further goes on to say that “types of charges considered to be separate in period, for example a lion and an heraldic tyger, will be considered different. A charge not used in period armory will be considered different in type if its shape in normal depiction is significantly different. This means a lion would not be clearly different from a puma.” I was unable to ascertain whether or not polar bears were found in period armory (my guess would be probably not), and I did not come across any precedents for polar bears vs. bears. [Ld’A], [Can]

BADGE returned for conflict.

Cameron De Lockwolf (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per bend sinister azure and vert, on a roundel Or a wolf’s head erased sable, a bordure Or semy of pawprints sable.

Without any documentation, there is no evidence at all for the byname. At the very least, the "d" in "de" should not be capitalized. I suspect there are other problems with the byname as well. [DbA]

The surname Cameron has an entire page dedicated to it in Black (s.n. Cameron). Every example in the passage documents Cameron in its various forms as a surname. [Ld’A]

Unfortunately, Cameron is a byname. Thus, this name doesn't have a given name and must be returned per RfS III.2.a which says "A personal name must contain a given name and at least one byname." When he resubmits, he may be interested in using Cameron in some form as a byname. Academy of S. Gabriel report #1536 says: "The modern surname Cameron has two separate origins, corresponding to the two separate families of that name that existed in our period, one Scoto-Norman, the other Gaelic. However, the Clan Cameron did not exist in your period; it arose in the 15th century [4]. A Scoto-Norman family existed earlier, taking its name from a place called Cambroun or Cambrun in Fife. The earliest examples of that surname include Adam de Kamerum in the first half of the 13th century, Hugh Cambrun 1219, and David de Cambroun 1296 [5]. We note that none of the early bearers of the name who appear in our sources have Gaelic first names, so we can't recommend Ciaran de Cambrun as a particularly authentic name for your period. In Gaelic culture, the name Cameron evolved from the descriptive nickname cam shro/n "crooked or hook nose". That byname appears in late-period Scottish Gaelic documents, and was used as a Highland clan name by the end of our period. The similarity in pronunciation eventually caused this Gaelic name to be equated with the Lowland family name [5]. In your period, though, the name would have been used only as a personal description."

[4] Moncreiffe of that Ilk, Iain, The Highland Clans, revised edition (New York: Clarkson N. Potter, 1982), p.48.

[5] Black s.n. Cameron

I wonder if Lockwolf is a mistake for Lochwolf, as the element Lock- certainly doesn't mean 'lake', it means 'lock [of hair]' or 'enclosure', according to R&W s.n. Lock. A byname based on Loch- will be fine; Black s.n. Loch has Reginald of the Loch 1214-1233, though this may be modernized. Other citations include Michael Loch 1505-08-11 and Robert Loche 1557. There are also other places that are Loch + something, but since Black doesn't give derivations for these, I can't see what the pattern is. However, my guess is that Loch + wolf is not reasonable, because Loch is Gaelic and wolf is English, and ne'er the twain shall meet (at least, not in the same phrase). [AmC]

[Device] The bordure is a bit thin and the pawprints are unidentifiably small. ...Therefore, for purposes of recreating period armorial style for erasing, the erasing should (1) have between three and eight jags; (2) have jags that are approximately one-sixth to one-third the total height of the charge being erased; and (3) have jags that are not straight but rather are wavy or curved. The predominance of the three-jag erasing is such that it can be recommended throughout our period and across Europe. For purposes of recreating period armorial style for couping, the couping should be a smooth line which is either straight, slightly convex, a shallow concave, or a recognizable extreme concave. A straight line or a shallow curve can be recommended throughout our period and across Europe...[11/01, CL] Precedents - François, under COUPED and ERASED Precedent. This depiction of erased, with only one prominent jag, is not acceptable. There is also a conflict with Sebastian Blacke: Vert, on a bezant a Jerusalem cross sable a bordure Or semy-de-lys sable. Single CD for field; no CD for type only of either tertiary group. Return for violating RfS VII.7, VIII.3, and conflict. [Can]

NAME returned for lack of a given name and potential problems with the locative construction; DEVICE returned for conflict.

Debrus de Neuf-Claire (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Purpure, semy-de-lys, two swans naiant respectant Or.

No documentation is provided for the given name, other than it is a nickname given to the submitter by her grandmother and subsequently used by family members (her legal given name is Deborah). Claire is a placename dated to 1285 in Dauzat & Rostaing (p. 193 s.n. Claira, subheader C.-du-Bois). Dauzat & Rostaing (p. 493 s.n. Neuf-Berquin) dates Neuf-Berquin to the 14th C. Given this example, a place named Neuf-Claire is plausible. Additionally, this byname was registered to Daniel de Neuf-Claire in January 2002.

Unfortunately, dating a nickname back to someone's grandmother is not going to date it to to period. I can't find Debrus or anything like it in my French sources. [AmC]

About the closest “fix” I could offer is to find a French byname that sounds more or less like Debrus. This would require that the submitter choose a documentable given name, and it doesn’t guarantee that a double byname (given name + {Debrus byname varient} + {de Neuf-Claire}) would be permitted. At least de Neuf-Claire was created as a constructed byname, so a patronymic family name might work. [MMM]

NAME returned for lack of documentation; DEVICE returned for no associated name submission.

Gudrun Oddsdottir (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Azure chaussé argent, a Bowen knot crosswise argent.

The name is Old Norse. Gudrun is a feminine given name (p. 10, The Old Norse Name, Geirr Bassi Haraldsson), while Oddr is a masculine given name (p. 13, ibid). This follows period construction of the patronymic, by replacing the terminal -r with an -s.

The given name is actually found in Geirr Bassi as Guxrún, not Gudrun. The standard anglicized form would thus be Gudhrun. With all the accents, this would be Guxrún Oddsdóttir. Without, it would be Gudhrun Oddsdottir. Either is fine, but the documentation does not support Gudrun. [AmC]

There are two possible conflicts with this device. Both are registered to Eilonwen verch Gryffyn: (Fieldless) A Bowen knot crosswise argent. and Per pale vert and sable, a Bowen knot crosswise argent. Both devices have 1 CD. With the first one there is one CD for the field per RfS X.4.a.iii. Fieldless Difference - “A piece of fieldless armory automatically has one clear difference from any other armory, fielded or fieldless.” And with the second there is one CD for the field per RfS X.4.a. Field Difference - “Significantly changing the tinctures, direction of partition lines, style of partition lines, or number of partition of the field is one clear difference.” This is further outlined in RfS X.4.a.i. Charged Fields, which states, “If charges other than an uncharged peripheral ordinary are present, at most one clear [difference will] be counted for changes to the field.” [Ld’A]

Conflicts with Eilonwen verch Gryffyn: (Fieldless) A Bowen knot crosswise argent. (Single CD fieldless.); Alaric Halden: Argent, on a pile issuant from dexter chief azure a maltese cross palewise argent. (CD orientation of pile. No CD for tertiary maltese cross vs "bowen cross".); Roane Fairegae of Lochlann: Argent, on a pile throughout azure a seal [Phoca vitulina] haurient argent. (Single CD for changes to tertiary groups); Richard FitzGilbert: Argent, on a pile throughout azure a sun Or. (Single CD for changes to tertiary groups).[Can]

DEVICE returned for multiple conflicts; NAME held for contacting submitting as to preferred spelling.

Hrafn (Granite Mountain): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per chevron throughout sable and argent, in base a double-bladed axe gules. (alternately, Sable, on a pile inverted throughout argent a double-blades axe gules.)

"A personal name must contain a given name and at least one byname". RfS III.2.a. (Emphasis in original) [DbA] RfS III.2.a says "A personal name must contain a given name and at least one byname." He has no byname. Now, if he accepts major changes, I would be inclined to make this Hrafn of Granite Mountain, and send it on. If he doesn't, this will have to be returned so he can chose a byname. [AmC] Brickbat comments that she would contact the submitter, even if he does accept major changes, than to assign the group name to him as his byname.

[Device] Unfortunately, under this equivalent blazon, it conflicts with Egil Bloodax, Papelonné argent and azure, a double-bitted axe gules., with one CD for the changes to the field. [DbA] This conflict is also noted by [Can].

The device, as noted in the ILoI, is in conflict with Randall Baldwin: Sable, on a pile dovetailed argent, a double-bitted axe gules (Sep ’92-Atenveldt), per RfS X.5. Visual Test - “If the tinctures, shapes, or arrangements of the charges in a submission create an overwhelming visual resemblance to a protected armory, the submission may be held in conflict even if sufficient theoretical difference can be counted between them.” You can’t blazon your way out of a conflict. [Ld’A], [Id’A]

NAME returned for lack of byname; DEVICE returned for conflict.

Hrafn (Granite Mountain): NEW BADGE

Gules, a drakkar affronty argent, the sail charged with a raven displayed head to sinister sable.

"There is a long-standing precedent in Society heraldry which considered charged sails as being equivalent to arms of pretense and therefore forbidden for Society usage." (LoAR 28 Dec 86, p. 13) I have found no later precedent overturning this one, and a few which reiterated it (e.g., LoAR December 1992, pg. 23). [DbA, JCN]

A longship affronty is unidentifiable. (Bodvarr Askasmidr, 2/97 p. 23 Returns) Precedents - Jaelle, under ship; ...Additionally any bird other than an eagle in a displayed posture will be considered a "weirdness" ... [01/00, CL] Precedents - Elsbeth, under BIRD -- Precedent on Difference.

There is a long-standing precedent in Society heraldry which considered charged sails as being equivalent to arms of pretense and therefore forbidden for Society usage: "You may not charge a sail if the resulting sail conflicts with existing arms". As the sail here appear[s] identical to at least one mundane item of armory, this device must be returned. (The passage of the arms of Eisenmarche cited ... in the letter of intent is a special case ...: the arms of the Society, which the Board has specifically stated may be displayed by any group.) (LoAR 28 Dec 86, p. 13) (See also: LoAR 28 Feb 87, p. 22; LoAR 27 Aug 89, p. 20) Precedents - Alisoun, under sail.

The sail, Argent, a raven displayed sable. conflicts with Manfred, King of Sicily: Argent, an eagle displayed sable.; and Prussia: Argent, an eagle displayed sable crowned Or. Normally I like being thorough on listing conflicts, but the twenty items one CD away and the five items needing a visual check against the sail were a bit much to include, unless you really want the whole list. Return for violating RfS VII.7.a and XI.4. [Can]

BADGE returned for appearance of arms of pretense and conflict.

Lughaidh Cruidire: NEW DEVICE

Quarterly vert and sable, a glove Or charged with a mullet vert.

In conflict with Lyle FitzWilliam, Vert, on the palm of a sinister hand Or, a fret couped vert. There is a single CD for field, no CD for type only of tertiary. [Can] There must be at least two cumulative differences between tertiaries (be it tincture, type (as is the case here), number, or orientation) to provide a CD. Possible solutions offered at Heraldry Hut were the use of two hands, or changing the orientation of the hand (inverted, fesswise, or even bendwise).

DEVICE returned for conflict.

Wynne Ni Robert MacEire (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per pale gules and argent, in dexter five mullets in annulo and in sininster a stag passant counterchanged.

As alluded to in the ILoI, the device is marshaled arms, and unregistrable per RfS XI.3. Marshalling - “Armory that appears to marshall independent arms is considered presumptuous” and “divisions commonly used for marshalling, such as quarterly or per pale, may only be used in contexts that ensure marshalling is not suggested.” RfS XI.3.b. states that “such fields may only be used when no single portion of the field may appear to be an independent piece of armory,” and more specifically: “No section of the field may contain an ordinary that terminates at the edge of that section, or more than one charge unless those charges are part of a group over the whole field. Charged sections must all contain charges of the same type to avoid the appearance of being different from each other.” [Ld’A, DbA, Can]

A plain per pale line of division in probably the most common means of marshalling two sets of arms, and the design here seems to be the marshalling of the independent arms of Gules, five mullets in annulo argent., and Argent, a stag passant gules. Barring conflict, this appearance of marshalling would be resolved by using a complex line of division on the per pale line, or rearranging the existing charges in such a way to eliminate the marshalling issue, e.g., Per pale gules and argent, a stag passant within five mullets in annulo counterchanged. [MMM]

NAME returned for incorrect construction (see May 2003 IloI for lengthy commentary on that); DEVICE returned for the appearance of marshalling.

The following submissions were registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms at its February 2003 meetings:

Ailleann inghean Roibeirt Fhrancaigh. Name change from holding name MariAnn of Atenveldt.

Submitted as Ailleann inghean Riobeirt Fhrancaigh, no documentation was presented and none was found that Riobeirt is a plausible variant of the documented Roibeirt. We have changed this name to use the documented form Roibeirt in order to register this name.

Alaric Grümper. Device. Argent, on a bend wavy gules between a two-wheeled cart and a warhammer reversed proper a chain thoughout argent.

Alessandro of Tir Ysgithr. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Azure, a bull rampant and a chief indented argent.

Submitted under the name Alessandro delle Alpi.

Damian Blackthorne of the Sea. Name change from holding name Damian of Ered Sfl.

Edric Longfellow. Name and device. Per pale gules and azure, two stalks of barley in saltire within a bordure Or.

Submitted as Eadric Longfellow, the submitter requested authenticity for an unspecified language/culture (presumably English based on the documentation) and allowed any changes. As submitted, this name combines an Old English given name with a Middle English byname dated only to 1475 and later. Combining Old English and Middle English in a single name is a weirdness because of the dramatic linguistic and orthographic differences between the two languages. A modern English speaker can usually read unmodernized versions of plays by Shakespeare with few difficulties. Many can read unmodernized versions of works by Chaucer, though with more difficulty. If you hand them a copy of Beowulf that is not modernized (or translated), very few will be able to make heads or tails of it. These differences are the basis for the weirdness for using Old English and Middle English in the same name.

The weirdness for a temporal disparity of greater than 300 years is a different issue from the lingual mix of Old English and Middle English. As explained recently: Not only did languages change over time, the pool of names that were in use changed over time as well. Therefore, when one element in a name is only dated early and another is only dated late, it is unlikely that these two elements would have been appeared in the same name. The greater the temporal disparity, the less likely these name elements would have appeared together. RfS III.1 states in part that "Each name as a whole should be compatible with the culture of a single time and place." Currently, there is no weirdness for elements that are dated within 300 years of one another, but there is a weirdness for elements dated between 300 and 1000 years apart. Elements that are dated more than 1000 years apart are not registerable, due to the significant temporal disparity. [Sáerlaith an Einigh, November 2002 LoAR, A-Ethelmearc]

Therefore, the submitted form of this name had two weirdnesses; one for the lingual mix of Old English and Middle English, and a second for a temporal disparity of greater than 300 years. As the submitter indicated that the sound of the name was most important to him, we have changed the given name to the form Edric, which is dated to the 13th C in Talan Gwynek's article "Men's Given Names from Early 13th Century England" (http://www.s_gabriel.org/names/talan/eng13/eng13m.html), to change this name to a completely Middle English form in order to register this name.

Eric Haukeseye. Name and device. Per bend sable and gules, a bow bendwise string to base and a hawk's head erased Or.

Eric was submitted under the Legal Name Allowance. However, no documentation (such as a photocopy of a driver's license) was provided to support Eric as the submitter's legal given name. Lacking such evidence, Eric is not registerable via the Legal Name Allowance. Siren found that Sveriges Medeltida Personnamn (vol. 5, column 735, s.n. Erik) shows several examples of Eric as a Swedish masculine given name, including Eric Stook dated to 1460. Therefore, this submission is registerable as a Swedish given name with an English byname.

GeneviPve de Saint-Cirq-Lapopie. Device. Purpure, a sun Or eclipsed by a moon in her plenitude azure and on a chief Or three compass stars azure.

It is acceptable for charges on charges to be a close variant of charges on the field. This sort of design does not run afoul of the design strictures colloquially known as the "sword and dagger" problem: [...on a chevron between three hearts argent three hearts sable] There is no problem with having the same type of charge as both secondaries and tertiaries. Submissions are only returned if the same type of charge is used as primary and secondary charges. (LoAR September 1999.)

Gerold the Bald. Device. Per fess gules and sable, a fess embattled-counterembattled and in base an eagle's head erased argent.

Hákon yorgeirsson. Name and device. Azure, a chevron enarched within and conjoined at the point to a chevron argent between a drakkar and a Thor's hammer Or.

Listed on the LoI as Haakon Thorgiersson, the form showed the submitted name as Haakon yorgeirsson. The submitter requested authenticity for Icelandic/Norse and allowed minor changes. The only documentation presented for the spelling Haakon was a list of kings of Norway that had been assembled for this submission. Included in the listing for each king was an abbreviation indicating source(s) for the reference. However, a bibliography was provided for only one of the abbreviations, and that source was a modern genealogical website. Additionally, no photocopies were provided for any of these sources. As none of them are included in the list provided in the Administrative Handbook "Appendix H - Books That Do Not Require Photocopies to Laurel", this documentation is not complete and so does not support the submitted name. Lacking evidence that Haakon is a period form, it is not registerable. Geirr Bassi (p. 11) lists the form of this name as Hákon. Therefore, we have changed this name to Hákon yorgeirsson in order to register this name and to meet the submitter's request for authenticity.

The central conjunction of chevrons was blazoned on the Letter of Intent as a chevron inarched. A standard SCA chevron enarched has each arm embowed outwards (curved in the opposite direction from the arms of a chevron ployé). The SCA chevron enarched is an artistic variant of a standard chevron deriving from attempts to show the curvature of a shield. The combination of chevrons in this submission is found in Legh's 1591 Accedens of Armory, where the combination is blazoned as a chevron enarched. Parker, in his Glossary of Terms used in Heraldry, blazons this combination as a chevron inarched. To avoid confusion with the already established SCA definition of a chevron enarched we have blazoned this device using standard SCA blazon terms. If there is any question about what this conjunction of chevrons looks like, we direct the reader to Parker's Glossary under chevron inarched. The book may be found in libraries and there is an on-line version at http://www002.upp.so-net.ne.jp/saitou/parker/jpglossc.htm#Chevron.

Lori of Mons Tonitrus. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Vert, a chevron enarched within and conjoined at the point to a chevron argent between two fleurs-de-lys and a Thor's hammer Or.

Ragnarr Gunnarsson. Name.

Listed on the LoI as Ragnar Gunnarsson, both the submission form and the submitted documentation list the given name as Ragnarr. We have made this correction.

Romanus Castelyn. Name.

Rurik Levushka Ul'ianov. Device. Ermine, a lion dormant contourny gules and a bordure azure.

Scott of Tir Ysgithr. Holding name (see RETURNS for name).

Submitted under the name Ulfgar Thegnson.

Scott of Tir Ysgithr and Ragnarr Gunnarsson. Joint badge. Per bend sinister wavy argent and azure, two bearded axes in saltire sable and three Thor's hammers Or.

Steffan von Hessen. Device. Or goutty de sang, a pall inverted engrailed between two eagles displayed heads to sinister sable and a rose gules.

Suzanne du Soleil. Device. Per chevron inverted argent and sable, a sun in its splendor sable eclipsed Or and a lily argent.

yóra SvFrradóttir. Name and device. Per chevron azure and purpure, two Thor's hammers and a wolf sejant ululant argent.

Listed on the LoI as Tóra SvFrradottir, the submission form shows Tóra Svaerradottir. The submitter requested authenticity for 10th C Norse and allowed minor changes. We have modified this name to a consistently Old Norse form in order to meet the submitter's request for authenticity.

Wolf Strongarm. Name (see RETURNS for device).

The following submissions were returned for further work, February 2003:

Alessandro delle Alpi. Name.

The submitter requested authenticity for 15th to 16th C Northern Italy and allowed no changes. The only documentation provided for the byname delle Alpi, intended to mean 'of the Alps', was from a modern Italian dictionary. This gives no indication whether such a byname would have been used in Italian in period. Several commenters found that Fucilla (p. 100) stated: Unless it refers to a place name Alpe, dall'Alpi is difficult to explain since the vast mountain system of the Alps is too big and indefinite to have produced a cognomen. Lacking evidence that any form of delle Alpi is a plausible Italian byname in period, it is not registerable. His armory has been registered under the holding name Alessandro of Tir Ysgithr.

Alizaunde Thorgeirrson. Name.

No documenation was presented and none was found to support Alizaunde as a plausible name in period. Lacking such evidence, Alizaunde is not registerable. Regarding Thorgeirrson, the LoI stated that, "The submitter is using this as a marriage name, as Haakon Thorgeirrson is her legal husband." There are two problems with this name. First, no documentation was presented for this relationship other than this statement in the LoI. Lacking such evidence, the submission is not eligible for the Grandfather Clause. (See the Cover Letter for the October 2002 LoAR "Clarification of the Grandfather Clause" for more details.) Were documentation provided as required for the Grandfather Clause, her husband's Norse patronymic byname would still not be registerable with a feminine given name. Precedent states: As is explained in the 22 February 1993 Cover Letter, we have extended the principle in two ways. First, we allow the original submitter to register further instances of the problematic element provided that they introduce no new violations of the rules; and secondly, we extend the allowance to the original submitter's nearest kin. [Roxanne Blackfeather, December 1995 LoAR, R-East] Throughout period, bynames were literal in Scandinavia. Metron Ariston explains: [This byname] would not in period have been used as to indicate the wife of someone whose patronymic was yorgeirsson as married women in Scandinavia retained their own patronymics as they do to this day in Iceland. And, if you changed it to the period yorgeirsdóttir, you would be implying she was her husband's sister, which I suspect she does not want to be. (Also note that the heading on Haakon'[s] name submission has the patronymic as Thorgiersson, not the form used here.) Therefore, a name combining any form of Thorgeirrson with a feminine given name is grammatically incorrect and is not registerable. Further, because her husband's name does not have this violation, her name submission introduces a new violation of the rules as prohibited in the precedent cited above. Her armory has been registered under the holding name Lori of Mons Tonitrus.

Ulfgar Thegnson. Name.

No documentation was presented and none was found to support Ulfgar as a plausible Norse given name in period. It is possible that Ulfgar may be a plausible variant of the Old English name WulfgFr, but the plausibility of such a variation would need to be examined. Searle (p. 507) includes an entry that lists both the forms Wulfgar and Ulgar. Many of the second forms in Searle's headers are Latin forms of the names in question and the loss of the f may (or may not) be an aspect of the Latin form.

The byname Thegnson is presumptuous. As noted by Black Pillar: Thegn is on the Alternate Titles List, as the Old English equivalent of both "Viscount" and "Baron." This puts the name afoul of RfS. VI.1, Names Claiming Rank, which states, "Names containing titles, territorial claims, or allusions to rank are considered presumptuous." This name is being returned for using a form of Thain as a byname, which has previously been prohibited: [Lucius Thayne] A thane (or thegn) was a free retainer in pre-Conquest England, and in Scotland up to the 15th Century; the term denotes a member of territorial nobility corresponding to the Norman baron or knight. The title was one step below the eorl, and might be either earned or inherited. In the SCA, the term is used as the Old English equivalent of "baron", and is therefore reserved. Old English usage puts the title after the name: Elfred cyning, Leofric eorl, Lyfing arcebisceop. The submitted name is thus exactly in the form that would have been used by a period thane. That fact, along with the Society use of the title, and its hereditary nature in period, outweighs the documented use of Thane, Thaine as a surname later in period. It must therefore be returned as presumptuous. (OED, under the entries for earl, king and thane; '93 E.Brit., vol.11, p.672; Reaney DBS II, pp.112, 345). (Lucius Thayne, July, 1993, pg. 15) [Chromán Thein, 11/01, R-Trimaris] His armory has been registered under the holding name Scott of Tir Ysgithr.

Wolf Strongarm. Device. Per pale sable and Or, in chief a death's head counterchanged.

The mini-emblazon on the Letter of Intent showed a large death's head clearly centered on the shield. However, this submission shows a smaller and differently drawn death's head placed in chief. The College was not able to comment on the submission as submitted, as they were not provided with an accurate mini-emblazon. The Cover Letter for the April 2002 LoAR stated: In the last few months, there have been cases where the mini-emblazon included with the Letter of Intent did not accurately represent the emblazon on the submission form. If the emblazon does not match the form, the CoA cannot produce useful commentary, which in turn does not allow a decision on that item. The CoA has enough to review without commenting on the "wrong" item. A mismatch between the LoI emblazon and what is on the submission form can be reason for administrative return. If you produce LoIs, please double-check that the mini-emblazons on your letters are a good representation of the emblazons on the submission forms.” Photoreduction is recommended over redrawing. Scanning can be used with care. Many complaints have been received about mini-emblazons which were produced by scanning at inappropriate settings, rendering elements of the armory invisible or otherwise unidentifiable.

This submission must therefore be returned.

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