COLLEGE OF HERALDS
1 April 2019,
OF PRESENTATION Kingdom
Their Royal Majesties Morgan and Elizabeth; Baron Seamus MacDade,
Aten Principal Herald; Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds;
All Whom These Presents Come,
from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium
Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!
have commentary to me on the proposed submissions for the April
Letter of Intent by 20 April 2019. Thank you!
consider the following submissions for the April 2019 Atenveldt
Letter of Intent:
Douglas and Dougal
MacPherson the Tall (Windale): NEW JOINT BADGE
bend sinister vert and azure, four pairs of human footprints in bend
names were registered July 1999 and August 1998, respectively.
use of foot/paw prints is a Step from Period Practice.
Douw (BoA): NEW HOUSEHOLD NAME and NEW BADGE, “Catwolf Keep”
a chatloup rampant within a masculyn argent.
client's personal name was registered July 2017.
is an approved household designator found in SENA Appendix E. The
monster is also known as a catwolf
(the English translation for chatloup)
in Dennys, http://mistholme.com/pictorial-dictionary-of-heraldry/.
Gaston Phebus, Count of Foy, wrote a Book of the Hunt (Livre
c. 1389, which describes animals that were hunted by the nobility of
the time, along with animal behavior:
de chat sauvage, loup cervier": Toutes voies y a il de diverses
manieres de chaz sauvaiges, espiciaument il en y a uns qui sont granz
comme lieparz, et ceuls apelent aucuns loups cerviers et les autres
chaz loux. Et c'est mau dit, quar ils ne sont ne lous serviers ni
On les pourroit mieulz apeler chaz lieparz que autrement, quar ilz
traient plus a liepart que a autre beste.
(GAST. PHÉBUS, Livre
which more or less translates as
of wild cat, loup cervier": All routes are there in various
ways of chaz sauvaiges, espícially there are some who are granz
like lieparz, and they call no lynxes and others chaz loux. And
that's right, they're not servants or chatting. They could better
be called upon if they otherwise treated more than any other beast.
is found in the arms of Henry Pay d. 1419. The catloup
is a monster with
the face of a cat, the body of a wolf, and the serrated horns of an
antelope. It was also called a “calopus,” “catwolf,” or
“catalope.” It is found on the canting crest of Cathorne, 1553.
Information on the charges is found in the online Pictorial
Dictionary of Heraldry,
following submissions appear in the March 2019 Atenveldt Letter of
for this letter was provided by Dietrich von Sachsen (Green Mantle
Herald), ffride wlffsdotter, Iago ab Adam, Michael
Renée de Passais
(Mons Tonitrus): NEW DEVICE: Argent,
a sun gules eclipsed Or, on a chief azure three mullets of seven
the eclipsed sun as a sun + roundel still brings the complexity count
or tinctures + charges to eight, which is acceptable.
Mountain): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, November 2018: Per
fess Or and vert masoned Or, a demi-sun issuant from the line of
division gules, a chief purpure.
was suggested by Iago
ab Adam: “On
a field with a chief, the fess line should be half way up the
remaining space. This line of division is too high.” The emblazon
Ó Seachnasaigh: NEW DEVICE CHANGE: Sable, a bend sinister
vert fimbriated and in dexter chief a stag salient argent.
name was registered December 2010.
If registered, the client
asks that his currently-registered device, Sable, a bend sinister
vert fimbriated and in dexter chief a Celtic cross argent.,
registered in December 2010, be maintained as a badge.
the Steward: NEW DEVICE CHANGE, from Argent,
on a hurt a cross couped argent, a base sable., registered
on a hurt a cross couped argent, a bordure embattled sable.
Vargr (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE Per bend sinister
vert and argent, a wolf rampant contourny argent and a raven
an Old Norse male given name (“Viking
Names found in Landnámabók,” Aryanhwy merch Catmael,
The byname Vargr, “wolf,”
(also a “thief, robber, miscreant”) is found in A
Concise Dictionary of Old Icelandic, Geir
This is a more search-friendly site:
The client desires a male name and if most interested in the
land/culture of the name (11th-12th
C. Norway); he would like it to be authentic for Norwegian (language
Jon Blackfish (BoA): NEW
NAME and DEVICE: Per
bend sinister Or and sable, a lucy haurient embowed contourny and a
Maltese cross counterchanged.
(Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Argent, a fox passant
proper within a wreath of holly leaves vert fructed gules.
Dae Hae (BoA): NAME
RESUBMISSION from William of Atenveldt/Kim Samguk
in the December 2018 Atenveldt LoI (itself a resubmission of the
holding name William of Atenveldt,
registered as a holding name in August 2018), the client wishes to
withdraw Kim Senggum and submit this instead.
Fhionn inghean Uí Raghallaigh (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW DEVICE:
Sable, three crescents conjoined in pall horns outward, a bordure
Darius (BoA): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, November 2018:
Sable, two serpents nowed in a Bourchier knot, that to dexter Or
and that to sinister inverted argent, in base a triquetra inverted
previous submission, Sable,
two serpents nowed in a Bourchier knot, that to dexter Or and that to
sinister inverted argent.,
was returned for “conflict with the badge of Bourchier (important
non-SCA armory), (Tinctureless)
A Bourchier knot.
There is one DC for the field, but no difference granted for the
presence of the serpents' heads.”
Gyldir (BoA): NEW NAME
The name is Old Norse. Thora
is a female given name in “Viking Names found in Landnámabók,”
Aryanhwy merch Catmael,
Gyldir is a byname, “howler, wolf”, in “Viking
Bynames found in the Landnámabók,”
Arryanhwy merch Catmael,
It is correct as gylðir.
The client will be informed of this (the client was contacted, but
there was no reply).
following submissions were registered by the SCA College of Arms,
Adrienne Noël de Lorraine.
Device. Or, a dragon vert maintaining a wooden tankard proper
and a dumbeg sable.
Áine inghean Uí Raghallaigh.
Device. Per chevron inverted argent and Or, a chevron
inverted purpure surmounted by a dragon sejant vert between three
arrows vert, purpure, and azure.
There is a step from
period practice for the use of the same charge in three different
Artist's note: Please draw larger arrows and more
internal detailing on the dragon to aid in identifiability.
Weiher. Name and device. Per fess sable and azure, a compass
rose Or between three crosses formy argent.
Nice late 16th
century German name!
Hlaðgerðr Arnfriðardóttir. Name.
The submitter requested authenticity for 9th-10th century
Old Norse language. It is unclear whether this name meets that
request. Both elements are in Old Norse, the language spoken in most
of Scandinavia during that time period. However, the byname is
attested in Iceland, while the given name appears to have been found
only in Denmark. Thus, it may be authentic but we cannot say for
Hrafnkell Sveinsson. Name and device. Per pale
argent and sable, a calamarie and in base two anchors
Submitted as Hrafnkel_ Sveinsson,
the given name was not spelled correctly. All of the attested
nominative (direct) instances of this name spell it as Hrafnkell.
As given names can only be registered in their nominative forms, we
have changed the name to Hrafnkell Sveinsson
for registration. Nice 9th-10th century Icelandic name!
note: Please draw the calamarie larger as befits a primary
Katrina Neumann. Name and device. Gules, on a
bend wavy azure fimbriated and cotised three mullets palewise
Submitted as Katrina von
Neumann, the preposition von was used in period German
names only as part of locative bynames. As Neumann is not a
place, von is not appropriate in this name. The practice of
adding von to any kind of German name to denote nobility
arose significantly after the Society's period of study. With the
submitter's permission, we have changed the name to Katrina _
Neumann for registration. As changed, nice 16th century German
Commenters questioned whether this design was too similar
to various flags from US history to be registerable as either
obtrusively modern or (in some circumstances) offensive. While
several commenters noted that the armory was evocative of patriotic
motifs that one might find in the United States, the design itself
is sufficiently different from any known flag to avoid our
limitations on overly modern or offensive designs.
Name and device.
Per bend sinister gules and sable, on a bend sinister cotised argent
a badger contourny sable.
Letter of Intent argued that Logan can be used as a given name
because it appears as a surname in Scotland. However, precedent
currently limits the use of surnames as given names to English only.
There is no evidence that the Scots also used surnames as given
names in period, and thus presently no grounds for expanding that
precedent. Without such evidence, it was necessary to redocument
Logan as either a given name or an English surname. In commentary,
Alisoun Metron Ariston found multiple instances of Logan as an
English surname, allowing the name to be registered as submitted.
following submissions were returned for further work, December 2018:
Arnfriðardóttir. Device. Per chevron inverted vert and
argent, a legless titmouse contourny Or and an iris azure.
This device is
returned for redraw. There are few situations in heraldry where a
bird might be depicted without any evidence of legs, namely volant
and (for waterfowl) naiant. The martlet, the quasi-fantastical
footless bird common in heraldry, is always depicted with tufts of
feathers where the missing feet might be, and no evidence has yet
been presented that a martlet would be depicted as a completely
Upon resubmission, please depict the bird
either with legs and feet as a titmouse, or as a martlet with tufts
of feathers for legs. Please also draw it centered in its allotted
Sundragon, Barony of. Badge. (Fieldless) A sun
in splendor Or within and conjoined to five dragons passant in annulo
This badge is returned for violation of SENA A2C3,
which requires that "Elements must be drawn at an appropriate
size for their role in an armorial submission...Charges that are too
big or too small may blur the difference between charge groups."
In this design, each dragon has at least the same visual weight as
the central sun. However, they can't be co-primary because they are
neither in a unified arrangement nor a unified orientation. Upon
resubmission, please draw the sun larger and the dragons
There is a step from period practice for charges in
annulo not in their default palewise orientation.
following submissions were registered by the SCA College of Arms,
Celeste Vallentine. Device
change. Purpure mullety argent, a natural leopard rampant
contourny guardant argent spotted sable.
previous device, Azure mullety, a natural leopard rampant
contourny guardant argent spotted sable, is released.
following submissions were returned for further work, January 2019:
de Valcourt. Household
name Rhythmic Mercenaries.
This name must
be returned because it does not follow any attested pattern for
naming groups of people. The Letter of Intent argued that this name
follows the pattern for English gang names. However, this name does
not fit that pattern. First, we have no evidence of such groups being
described with the collective noun mercenaries. Our current
research shows that period English gangs were described with terms
like Crew, Boys or Regiment. Any of these terms
would be an acceptable household designator for an English gang name.
The term mercenaries is not. While it was certainly a word in
period, it was not a word used in the particular way intended by the
Second, the adjective rhythmic is not the kind
of word used to describe English gangs. Gangs were generally
described with negative adjectives, such as terrible, damned
or cursed. Less commonly, positive adjectives such as gallant
were used ironically, as in the gallant crew (1598) and the
Gallant Roars (1603). No adjectives as abstract as rhythmic
or rhythmical are found in period lists of English gangs.
Moreover, there is no evidence that the terms rhythmic or
rhythmical were used to describe any groups of people in
English. Accordingly, as this name does not follow an attested naming
pattern for groups of people, it cannot be registered.
Douw. Badge. Per saltire gules and sable, in fess a dragon
maintaining a sword and a Greek sphinx rampant contourny maintaining
an arrow, their tails entwined argent, a bordure embattled ermine.
badge is returned for violation of SENA A5E3, which generally limits
complexity of armory to eight tinctures and charge types. The
submitted badge features four tinctures (argent, sable, gules,
ermine) and five charges (dragon, sword, griffin, arrow, and
bordure), for a total complexity count of nine.
following submissions were registered by the SCA College of Arms,
Blóðøx. Name and device. Sable, on a double-bitted axe
inverted argent hafted Or the haft winged argent two gouts de sang.
This name does not conflict with the registered Gunnar
Bloodax under PN3C1 as there are changes in sound in appearance
to two syllables: Gunn-ar vs. Gunni and Bloodax vs. Blóðøx. The
character ð is pronounced like "th," not like an
Name and device. Sable,
a blonde melusine proper between three fleurs-de-lys argent.
following submissions were returned for further work, February 2019:
change from holding name Leo
name was pended on the September 2018 Letter of Acceptances and
Returns. Submitted as Leo
the submitter's legal name is Leo Hyrulea [surname]. By precedent,
the combination of legal first name plus legal middle name cannot be
registered because it is considered identical to the name used by
the submitter outside the Society. At the request of several
commenters, we pended this name to consider whether that precedent
should stand. We conclude that it should.
Section IIIA10 of the
Admin Handbook states:
No name will be registered to a
submitter if it is identical to a name used by the submitter for
purposes of identification outside of a Society context. This
includes legal names, common use names, trademarks, and other items
registered with mundane authorities that serve to identify an
individual or group.
By precedent, the combination of a legal
given name and legal middle name, in that order, is considered
identical to a name used by the submitter outside of the Society and
cannot be registered:
The submitter's legal name is Mari
Alexander [surname]. Therefore, this submission contains the
submitter's first two names in the same order as in her legal name.
A similar submission was recently returned:
consists of the given names, in order, of the submitter. As this is
one of the possible common use names, we have to return this
submission for conflict against the submitter herself, protected
under section III.A.9 of the Administrative Handbook. [Mary Amanda,
Therefore, just as Mari [surname] would be
conflict with her legal name, so the submitted Mari Alexander
conflicts with her with her legal name. [Mari Alexander, 9/2001
This precedent was not overturned by SENA. It was
upheld as recently as February 2015. [Antoinette Marie, 2/2015 LoAR,
Commentary was strongly in favor of keeping the
distinction between one's identity in the Society and one's identity
in the modern world. Given the number of people who, upon marriage,
turn their former surname into a middle name, the likelihood of
legal given name plus legal middle name being an actual use name in
the modern world is fairly high. Moreover, a submitter who truly
wishes to use their legal given and middle names can do so as long
as they add another element, such as of Atenveldt, to distinguish
their identity in the Society from their identity outside of the
Society. Having considered all of the arguments for and against, the
existing precedent stands.
Accordingly, the submitted name
cannot be registered under Section IIIA10 of the Administrative
Handbook because it is effectively identical to the submitter's
legal name. For resubmission, the submitter should consider adding
an element that is not part of his legal name, such as a local
branch name or period place name.
thanks in advance for your time and consideration of these
as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Parhelium Herald