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ATENVELDT COLLEGE OF HERALDS 10 February 2015, A.S. XLIX
LETTER OF PRESENTATION Kingdom of Atenveldt


Unto Their Royal Majesties Brian and Lia; Baron Tymothy Smythson, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!



This is the February 2015 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation; it precedes the Letter of Intent with submissions considered for the next Letter of Intent. Please have commentary to me by 20 February 2015.


Heraldry Hut: The January Heraldry Hut will be held Friday, 16 January, beginning at 7:30 PM. Please contact me for location.


Estrella War XXXI: This year's Heralds' Point will have an Heraldic Consultation Table Wednesday-Sunday, 25 February-1 March. Hours are 10 AM-5 PM Wednesday-Saturday and 10 AM-3 PM Sunday. Our usual Meet 'n' Greet (and swap stories and such) is Friday beginning at 7 PM; this is mostly a potluck, but we should be able to find something for folks to eat. Come and consult! Color! Schmooze! Work as long as you'd like! There will be at least one introductory heraldry class on Thursday at 10 AM at Heralds' Point (thank you, Honour!), and we can likely wedge in another class on Wenesday morning, too.


Please consider the following submissions for the February 2015 Letter of Intent:



Celestina Winterborne and Zhigmun' Czypssser (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE

Or, a sun azure within a bordure azure parted potenty-counterpotenty azure.

The names were registered January 2014 and February 2011, respectively.


Eirnín Caomhanach (St. Felix): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Gules, a chevron embattled between two keys palewise wards to base outward and a man gardant kneeling contourny bearing a globe upon his shoulders argent.

The name is Gaelic. Both elements are found in “Irish Names and Surnames,” with Eirnín a masculine given name and the name of more than a dozen Irish saints (http://www.libraryireland.com/names/men/eirnin-ernin.php). Caomhanach is a “surname, the genitive form of the masculine given name Caomhán (http://www.libraryireland.com/names/men/caomhan-kevan.php). I'd like to find a more solid basis for the name, since the provided source doesn't use period construction for the name. The client desires a male name and will not accept Major changes to the name.


Sigrid Ulsdottir of Aschehyrst (St. Felix): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per bend azure and argent, two mullets of eight points in bend sinister argent and an acanthus vine bendwise issuant from base vert.

Sigrid is a feminine given name dated to 1583 (Fredriksson, Ingwar, _Svenskt Dopnamnsskick vid 1500-Talets Slut_,

(Vanersborg: Vanersborgs Boktryckeri AB, 1974)in Academy of Saint Gabriel report 2296 (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2296.txt). Úlfr is an Old Norse masculine given name found in “Viking Names found in Landnámabók,” Aryanhwy merch Catmael, http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/landnamabok.html. The patronymic form is Ulfsdottir, “A Simple Guide to Creating Old Norse Names,” Aryanhwy merch Catmael, http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/sg-viking.html. Diacritical marks can be uniformly used or dropped. The locative uses the Branch Name Allowance in SENA B.2.f.; the name for the the Canton of Aschehyrst was registered June 1994 in the East Kingdom. The client desires a female name and if most interested in the meaning and language/culture of the name. She asks that it is made authentic for the Viking period Norse or Irish. She will not accept Major changes to the name.


The following submissions appear in the February 2015 Letter of Intent:


Arria Silvana (St. Felix): NEW DEVICE CHANGE: Per fess vert and sable, a unicorn's head couped argent and three Arabian lamps Or.

Commenters were pretty sure that the charges in base were neither Arabian lamps (again) or maple leaves, but rather ivy leaves. Thanks to Black Boar for settling the matter.


Gareth Llandfaelog (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Sable, a pall inverted and in sinister chief a rabbit rampant Or.

The given name is also found as Gareth Portor, marriage 23 May 1594; Lowestoft, Suffolk, England; batch number: M00983-1; https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N216-TJR


Gwyneth O Callaghan (BoA): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, May 2014

Argent, an ash-tree eradicated proper and on a chief azure a sun Or between an increscent and a decrescent argent.


Jórhildr skáldhrafn (Tir Ysgithr): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, January 2013: Argent, in pale a thistle and a boar passant proper, a bordure azure.


Kára Hanadóttir (Tir Ysgithr): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, June 2012: Vert, a phoenix displayed head to sinister argent and a sinister gore ermine.


Mineko of Twin Moons (Twin Moons): NEW BADGE: (fieldless) A domestic cat sejant affronty with the sinister paw raised argent.

This submission conflicts directly with both Khaalid al-Jaraad's badge, September 1993 (the West), (Fieldless) A cat sejant erect affronty argent, and Kolfinna kǫttr's, September 2002 (Caid), (Fieldless) A natural tiger sejant affronty argent marked sable. (MGC)

Upon further consultation with the client, this slight redesign seems to clear the cited conflicts without running into new ones: (Fieldless) A domestic cat sejant affronty sinister paw raised argent within and conjoined to a mascle gules.


Mineko of Twin Moons and Irina Dionisiya Tolochkova (Twin Moons): NEW HOUSEHOLD NAME, Societate Sine Nomine, and NEW BADGE

(Fieldless): A snake with a head at both ends nowed in a Cavendish knot argent.


The following submissions were registered by the College of Arms, December 2014:

Atenveldt, Barony of. Order name Order of the Root of the Barony of Atenveldt and badge. Argent, two palm trees trunks crossed in saltire and in chief a stump gules.

This order name is a resubmission of Order of the Roots of the Barony of Atenveldt, which was returned in March 2007:

This name does not follow documented patterns of period order names. The submission was documented as following the pattern "basing a name on Things". However, this pattern is very specifically names based on heraldic charges. While a tree eradicated has its root system showing, there are no examples of just a generic "root" in period heraldry, nor is there a unique period depiction thereof that can be used to justify the charge as following period patterns of heraldic charges. Without meeting one of these two criteria, such a heraldic charge cannot be registered. If a charge cannot be registered, its name cannot be used to justify an order name using the pattern heraldic charge.

Parker, s.n. tree notes that parts of trees, such as the trunk, branches, stumps, and stock, are used as heraldic charges. In Heraldic Badges (https://books.google.com/books?id=x8ETAAAAYAAJ, p. 78), Fox-Davies blazons the badge of John of Lancaster, Duke of Bedford (a son of Henry IV) as "the root of a tree couped and eradicated or". As documented by the submitter, this badge was referenced in a 15th century poem concerning the death of the Duke, which stated, "The Rote is dead", and both roots and eradicated stumps appear prominently in the page depicting the Duke in the Bedford Hours from the same century (British Library Add. MS 18850, f.256v; http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=add_ms_18850_f256v). In addition, Fox-Davies (ibid., p. 104) also includes the canting badge of Thomas of Woodstock, Duke of Gloucester (a son of Edward III), found on a seal: "the stock or root of a tree".

Root is the lingua Anglica form of the Middle English Rote or Roote. The Middle English Dictionary defines the term both as "a root of a tree or other plant" and "the base of a tree trunk", so it appears as though this term was used in period to refer to both the eradicated stump/stock and the roots themselves. In addition, modern sources consistently refer to the Duke of Bedford's badge as a root or tree-root. Therefore, we are able to give the Barony the benefit of the doubt that root is a plausible blazonry term for a period heraldic charge, and can register this order name as submitted.

The use of the phrase of the Barony of Atenveldt in order names is grandfathered to the submitter.

This depiction of palm trees in saltire is grandfathered to the submitter.

Aurora Rose Glasford. Name and device. Purpure, a horse rampant argent and a demi-sun issuant from base Or, a bordure argent semy of butterflies purpure.

Submission heralds are cautioned to ensure purples scan accurately into OSCAR, as the electronic scan is now our primary document. If an emblazon that is reportedly purpure looks azure in the scan, this may be at best a pend and at worse an administrative return to ensure clarity of the submission.

Cynthia de la Dale. Name and device. Azure, between four cottonwood leaves in cross a mascle fracted in saltire and on a chief invected argent three fleurs-de-lys vert.

The Letter of Intent stated that Cynthia is the submitter's legal given name, but a copy of the submitter's driver's license or other identification was not provided. In the absence of a copy, two witnesses are needed to confirm the information, according to the July 2012 Cover Letter, but this does not appear to have been done. Therefore, the submitter cannot register this element using the legal name allowance.

Luckily for the submitter, the Letter of Intent also documented Cynthia to 16th century England. Therefore, we are able to register this name.

There is a step from period practice for the use of the leaves of the New World cottonwood tree.

Cynthia de la Dale. Badge. Argent, a fleur-de-lys vert within a mascle fracted in saltire azure.

Elizabeta de Wallachia. Name and device. Sable, a daisy and on a chief doubly-enarched argent three gouttes gules.

The Letter of Intent did not provide evidence that the spelling Wallachia was used in period. In commentary, Goutte d'Eau found the phrase de Wallachia in a 1629 Latin text that was translated from French and published in Germany: Commemorationes rerum gestarum Ludovici 11 by Philippe de Commyne (p. 432; http://books.google.com.au/books?id=ges_AAAAcAAJ).

Elizabeta was documented as a Hungarian given name. The combination of Hungarian and French is not an acceptable lingual mix under Appendix C of SENA. However, Elizabeta also is found in a 1609 Latin book published in France: Elogium Henrici Joyosae ordinis Capucinorum. E bibliotheca Papirii Massoni foresii, in senatu parisiensi advocati by Jean-Papire Masson (p. 4; http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k57318544). Therefore, this name is either wholly French or French-German and can be registered.

There is a step from period practice for the use of a chief doubly-enarched.

Geoffrey Frost. Name and device. Sable, a chevron argent cotised Or between three lions argent.

Nice 15th-16th century English name!

Grace Quinn. Name and device. Argent, three stoppered flasks purpure and a bordure vert semy of elderflowers argent.

The question was raised in commentary whether the byname Quinn is an alternative form of the word for "queen". A variant form of this byname is Quyne, which is also a Middle English word meaning "queen". Although we have evidence that the spelling Quyne is used for both Queen and Quinn, we don't have evidence that Quinn was used interchangeably with Queen. Precedent states:

The question was raised whether the name was still presumptuous of Roger I and Roger II, because conyng is similar in sound to cyning, könig, and koning, the approved alternate titles for 'king' in Old English, German, and Dutch, respectively. So far as we can tell, conyng is not a valid alternative spelling of any of these words. Thus, any possible presumption rests solely on the pronunciation of the byname. In the past, bynames containing elements that are phonetically identical to protected titles but which are etymologically unrelated to those titles have been ruled to be not presumptuous:

There was some question whether the byname McKnight was presumptuous. It is not, as this precedent indicates:

Dorothea M'Queyn. Name. The question was raised whether the use of the surname MacQueen or its variants in an SCA name is presumptuous. This precedent is directly relevant to this question:

[Registering Mark FitzRoy.] RfS VI.1. states that "Names documented to have been used in period may be used, even if they were derived from titles, provided there is no suggestion of territorial claim or explicit assertion of rank." FitzRoy meets that criteria. RfS VI.3. states that "Names that unmistakably imply identity with or close relationship to a protected person or literary character will generally not be registered." There is no implication of "identity with or close relationship to" any protected individual or character as used here. Consequently, the surname here is not considered pretentious. [6/94, p.8]

In this case, the surname may be interpreted by English speakers as "son of the Queen", but that is because it is a phonetic rendering. The name in Gaelic is Mac Shuibhne, whose written form carries no hint of presumption." [LoAR 06/2004]

MacKnight is a variant form of MacNaught, which is mac Neachtain in Gaelic. This form clearly carries no hint of presumption. [Godfrey McKnight, LoAR 05/2008, Ealdormere-A]

The byname Conyng is etymologically unrelated to the protected alternate forms of King. Thus, the phonetic similarity of Conyng to these forms is insufficient for this byname to be presumptuous. [Roger Conyng de Palermo, March 2009 LoAR, A-Artemisia]

In this case, Quinn is either derived from the French word quin ("monkey") or is an Anglicized form of the Gaelic Mac Cuinn (Reaney & Wilson, s.nn. Quin, Quine). Therefore, it is unrelated to Queen and can be registered.

Submission heralds are cautioned to ensure purples scan accurately into OSCAR, as the electronic scan is now our primary document. If an emblazon that is reportedly purpure looks azure in the scan, this may be at best a pend and at worse an administrative return to ensure clarity of the submission.

Grace Quinn. Badge. (Fieldless) On a stoppered flask purpure an elderflower argent.

Submission heralds are cautioned to ensure purples scan accurately into OSCAR, as the electronic scan is now our primary document. If an emblazon that is reportedly purpure looks azure in the scan, this may be at best a pend and at worse an administrative return to ensure clarity of the submission.

Liesele Knapp von Colmberg. Name change from Issobell de Lockford.

Submitted as Liesel Knapp von Colmberg, the name was changed in kingdom to Lisle Knapp von Colmberg to match the documentation that could be found. Blue Tyger documented the spelling Liesele in the FamilySearch Historical Records, dated to 1650. As it is closer to what was submitted, we have changed the given name to this spelling.

The spelling Colmberg was not dated to period in the Letter of Intent. Blue Tyger found the byname von Colmberg in Warhaffte historische Beschreibung (p. 23; http://books.google.com/books?id=UMZUAAAAcAAJ), dated to 1610.

The submitter's previous name, Issobell de Lockford, is retained as an alternate name.

Madok ap Gryffydd. Name and device. Per fess argent and azure, two towers azure and a keythong rampant Or.

The submitter requested authenticity for 12th-14th century Welsh culture. This name is authentic for the 13th century, so meets the submitter's request.

Maria of Sun Dragon. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Per pale sable and argent, a cross moline disjointed counterchanged and on a chief gules four roses Or.

Submitted under the name Maria Iustinianus.

Meave Sinclair. Name.

This name combines an Anglicized Irish given name and Scots byname. As these languages are in the same regional language group, this is an acceptable lingual mix under Appendix C of SENA.

Rainulf Lion. Name and device. Quarterly azure and gules, a lion and in dexter chief a mullet argent.

As documented in the Letter of Intent, this name combines an English given name and French byname. Lion is also a late 16th century English byname found in the FamilySearch Historical Records, making the name wholly English.

Nice device!

Riane Goch. Name and device. Per saltire argent and gules, in chief two chevronels couped and in base a pair of scissors sable.

Submitted as Rhiane y' Coch, the submitter requested authenticity for a 12th century Welsh name. The definite article ("the") would be y, not y', but would not be combined with a descriptive byname like Coch ("red") in Welsh. In addition, the byname would mutate to the feminine form, Goch. The name was changed by kingdom to Rhiane Goch.

Unfortunately, the given name Rhiane is a modern form and cannot be registered. In commentary, Metron Ariston found the similar sounding, but masculine Rein Coch in Bartram, Early Welsh Genealogical Tracts. Blue Tyger documented Ryane as an English byname dated to the 16th century in the FamilySearch Historical Records. As i/y switches are common in English, both Ryane and Riane are plausible forms of this name. We have changed this name to Riane, as it is the closest to what was submitted. However, this name does not meet the submitter's request for authenticity.

Sa'id al-Sabbah. Name and device. Per bend argent and azure, a polypus sable and a pair of calipers argent.

Sarah in le Frith. Name and device. Azure, a crescent argent and on a chief Or three estoiles azure.

Submitted as Sarah le Frith, a frith is a royal wood or game preserve. Forms of the place name include le Frith and le Fryth, both found in the Middle English Dictionary. Attested bynames derived from this locative include the 12th century de Frith, and the 13th century del Frith and in le Frith, all found in Reaney & Wilson, s.n. Frith. The expected unmarked form of this byname is Frith, not le Frith. We have changed the name to the attested in le Frith. If the submitter prefers one of the other forms, she can submit a request for reconsideration.

In addition, the Letter of Intent stated that Sarah is the submitter's legal given name, but a copy of the submitter's driver's license or other identification was not provided. In the absence of a copy, two witnesses are needed to confirm the information per the July 2012 Cover Letter, but this does not appear to have been done. Therefore, the submitter cannot register this element using the legal name allowance. Luckily for the submitter, Chanson documented Sarah in commentary as an English given name, so she need not rely on the legal name allowance.

Sofia Elisabetta dal Ponte. Name and device. Per bend Or and vert, a shoe and a sword bendwise counterchanged.

The name submission form was written in all capital letters, with the given names spelled two different ways: Sofia Elisabetta and Sophia Elizabetta (using standard capitalization). The name appeared on the Letter of Intent as Sofia Elisabetta Dal Ponte. Kingdom confirmed that the form Sofia Elisabetta was intended, and that the submitter uses the more typical dal Ponte. We have changed the byname accordingly. We note that the form in the Letter of Intent, Dal Ponte, is also plausible.

Zofia of Grodno. Name and device. Per chevron gules and Or, two Ukrainian trident heads and a fox's mask counterchanged.

The submitter requested authenticity for "Lithuania/Lithuanian, 14th-16th C.". As this name uses the lingua Anglica (i.e., modern English) form of the byname, of Grodno, it does not meet the submitter's request. However, it is registerable.


The following submissions have been returned by the College of Arms for further work, December 2014:

Caell Robertson. Device change. Sable, a bat-winged scorpion-tailed lion gardant Or.
This device is returned for multiple conflicts. Blazoned on the Letter of Intent as a manticore, manticores in period heraldry do not have wings, and have the face or head of a man. This device presumes upon the important non-SCA arms of Belgium, Sable, a lion rampant Or, and of the important non-SCA arms of the Palatinate of the Rhine, Sable, a lion rampant Or crowned gules, both with a DC for the addition of the wings, but no difference granted for the tail. This device is also in conflict with the device of Cain du Lac, Sable, a winged cat rampant Or within an orle wreathed vert and Or and the device of Cassandra Theodosius, Sable, a winged lion salient and a point pointed Or, both with a single DC for removing the secondary charge.
Catharin Syl'vestrova. Device. Gyronny azure and Or, four Russian Orthodox crosses two and two counterchanged.
This device is returned for excessive counterchanging. SENA A3F4 says: 4. Excessive Counterchanging: While counterchanging was common in period armory, it was used mainly with two or four part divisions of the field. Counterchanging of charges over more complex field divisions (barry, gyronny, etc.) is allowed with a semy or similar group of charges; in that design each charge should be drawn so that it is entirely on a single portion of the field. Here the charges lie over several sections and the counterchanging diminishes identifiability.
Ginvilas A{sv}ar{u,}. Name.
Unfortunately, Ginvilas appears to be a modern form of the Lithuanian given name. The attested forms from period appear to be Giniwilo, Gyniwi{l/}, Ginwi{l/}. Without stronger documentation that the submitted spelling is found in period Lithuania, we are forced to return this name.We are also returning this name because no documentation was provided to show that A{sv}ar{u,} is a period Lithuanian word or descriptive byname, or that the pattern of given name + descriptive byname is found in period Lithuanian. The name pattern is not included in Appendix A of SENA, so must be documented.
Kevin the Wayfarer. Name and device. Gules, a hart's head cabossed and on a chief Or three estoiles sable.
The Letter of Intent stated that Kevin is the submitter's legal given name, but a copy of the submitter's driver's license or other identification was not provided. In the absence of a copy, two witnesses are needed to confirm the information per the July 2012 Cover Letter, but this does not appear to have been done. Therefore, the submitter cannot register this element using the legal name allowance. Unfortunately, the Letter of Intent did not document Kevin, nor were commenters able to find support for it as a given name in our period. The Gaelic equivalent, Caoimhghen or Caemgen, is registerable as a saint's name. These forms are found in Martyrology of Donegal and Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, "Index of Names in Irish Annals" (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Caemgen.shtml), respectively. However, this modification to one of those forms is too large of a change. Therefore, we are unable to register this name. Upon resubmission, the submitter should know that the byname Wayfarer is a reasonable variant of the attested bynames Wayfarar and Weyfare, both found in 14th century England (in Jönsjö, Middle English Nicknames). The submitted spelling is dated to 1514 (Oxford English Dictionary). However, as the attested forms of this byname do not use the definite article the, this element would need to be dropped.
This device submission is returned administratively. The color emblazon uploaded to OSCAR was computer-colorized while the form itself was colored by hand. Computer-colorized emblazons were banned on the May 2008 Cover Letter. Artwork done and colored originally by computer is acceptable; what is not acceptable is editing the image on the Letter of Intent to look different from the submission form in the packet.
Lia le Citolur. Device. Per bend sinister azure and vert, on a bend sinister between two musical notes argent a heart palewise gules entwined by a flowering woodbine vert flowered Or. This device is returned for not being reliably blazonable, which is a violation of SENA A1C which requires an emblazon to be describable in heraldic terms. There is no accurate way to blazon the position of the woodbine as it partially overlaps but also extends from the heart. There is a step from period practice for the use of New World woodbine.
Maria Iustinianus. Name.
The byname Iustinianus needs to be feminized to match the gender of the given name. We would change the byname to the feminine form, Iustiniana, but changing the gender is a major change, which the submitter does not allow. Therefore, we are forced to return this name. The submitter may wish to know that a wholly Greek form is Maria Ioustiniana.
Her device has been registered under the holding name Maria of Sun Dragon.



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