Kingdom of Atenveldt
Heraldic Submissions Page
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Unto Their Royal Majesties Cosmo Craven and Elzbieta; Master Seamus, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come, Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!
This is the February 2012 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. It precedes the external Letter of Intent that will contain the following submissions that are presented here, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. Where there any submissions this month, know that I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry and consultation. You can send commentary to me privately at brickbat@nexiliscom.com or join “Atenveldt Submissions Commentary” at Yahoo! Groups ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Atenveldt_Submissions_Commentary/ ) and post there. (Commentary is often posted in the next month's Letter of Presentation so that all may learn from it, and we can see how additional documentation or comments may have influenced a submission. Please don't be shy!) Please have commentary to me for the submissions under consideration for the February 2012 Atenveldt Letter of Intent by 10 February 2012. Thanks!
Heraldry Hut: The next Heraldry Hut will be held Friday, 17 February. For more information, directions, etc., please contact me at your convenience ( brickbat@nexiliscom.com ).
Speaking of submissions: I accept direct-to-Kingdom submissions from heraldic clients; this might not be the most favorable route to take, particularly if a group has a territorial herald, and everyone can stay more in the “submission loop” if a submission is made in this fashion. However, in some cases, this is the only reasonable and timely way for a submission to be made. Local heralds need to send submissions on in a timely manner as well (i.e., within one month of receiving a submissions packet). If you cannot connect with me at an event (very likely) or attend Heraldry Hut, submissions need to be mailed within one month (yes, that's important!) of a local herald receiving them, unless there is a reason for return at the local level. My address: Linda Miku, 2527 E. 3rd Street, Tucson AZ 85716.
Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too: atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com.
College of Arms Actions: Atenveldt registrations and returns made at the December 2011 Laurel meetings (submissions found on the September 2011 Atenveldt LoI) are found at the end of this report.
Please consider the following submissions for the February 2012 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:
Adelaide of Alyngton (Twin Moons): NEW NAME The name is English. Adelaide is a feminine given name, found in The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, (3rd edition), E.G. Withycombe, p. 4 s.n. Adelaide, as the modern French version of the German Adelheid. Adelaide was registered April 2011 with the documentation cited in “Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames, Part Two: The Names A-G,” Talan Gwynek ( http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/reaneyAG.html ), for Adaleide, dated 1107-13. Alyngton is a locative byname, found in A Dictionary of English Surnames, Revised Edition, Reaney and Wilson, p. 8, s.n. Allington; this spelling is dated to 1479. The client desires a female name and is most interested in the language/culture of the name.
Aida Ysabella Lacarra de Navarra (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME Aida is the client's legal given name (verified by Black Boar Pursuivant, Seamus mac Riaian). Ysabella is a Spanish feminine give name, dated c. 1480 in SaintGabriel report 2952 ( http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2952.txt ). Lacarra is a Spanish surname, c. 1329; Enriquez de Lacarra was the illegitimate son of Henry I of Navarre ( http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAVARRE%20NOBILITY.htm ). de Navarra, “of, from Navarre,” referring to the Kingdom of Navarre in the region of (modern) northern Spain ( http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2890.txt ). This article does note that de Navarra was rarely used aside from the members and relatives of the royal family, and the name would be more likely seen as Navarro/Navarra, “the Navarese man/woman.” However, the legal sister of the client had her name registered via Caid in September 2011 as Enedina Lacarra de Navarre. Regarding the two bynames, the College of Arms said that a fully Spanish version would be ...Lacarra de Navarra. The client desires a female name and is most interested in the sound of the name. The client desires a female name and is most interested in the sound of the name.
Catharine of Renfrewshire (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME The name is Scots. This spelling of the feminine given name Katherine appears in the header in Withycombe' The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, 3rd edition, but isn't specifically dated, pp. 186-7 s.n. Katharine, Katherine, Catharine, Catherine; a hospital dedicated to St. Katharine was founded in 1148 near the Tower of London. The spelling Catharine is dated to 1459 in “A List of Feminine Personal Names Found in Scottish Records, Part Three: Post-1400 Names,” Talan Gwynek ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/scottishfem/scottishfemlate.html ). Renfrewshire is a county in Scotland granted Royal Burgh status in 1397, although traces of Roman occupancy and a monastery built in the 12th C. make is much older ( http://www.oocities.org/rossgundlach/RENFREW.HTM ). The client desires a female name and is most interested in the meaning of the name.
Cerise De Fleur (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE Gules, on a bend argent a branch of cherry blossoms throughout proper. The name is French. Cerise is a female name meaning Cherry, found in dictionnaire etymologiqeu des noms de famille et prenoms de France, Albert Dauzat. Although cited as a female name meaning “cherry,” Cerise, p. 98 s.n. Cérié, seems to have more to do with the production (prodcuteur) and selling (vendeur) of cherries. I can't find an indication of it being a given name here. Defleur is found on p. 183 s.n. Defleur as [fils] de Fleur (daughter of Fleur/flower). The name submission appears to be misspelled on the forms as Defluer. I'm not sure how to proceed with this. The client desires a female name and is most interested in meaning (“cherry flower”, a play on her legal given name Cheryl). Cherry blossoms have five petals, ranging from almost white to a very “pink” color. The center can range from yellow to a deep red/maroon center.
Eilina elfski (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE Per bend sinister argent and gules, a rose gules barbed and seeded proper and three hearts argent. The name is Old Norse and both elements are found in “The Old Norse Name,” by Geirr Bassi Haralsson. Eilina is a feminine given name, p. 9 Elfski is a locative, “from the Gotha River”, p. 21. I wonder if the byname would have a feminine form (elfska)? The client desires a female name.
Hopkyn Blaidd Du (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE (Fieldless): A cross formy sable winged Or. The name appears in the November 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Intent.
Huweyn ap Deiniol (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE Quarterly vert and argent, a cross of square chain throughout between two millrinds sable. The name is Welsh. Huweyn is a masculine given name found in “The First Thousand Years of British Names,Appendices IV and V,” Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/british1000/appendix4_5.html ); it is in Volume V, Given names from the Llandav charters. Deiniol is a masculine given name, the Welsh form of Daniel (Withycombe, pp. 78-79 s.n. Daniel). ap is the standard Welsh patronym for “son of.” (A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names,” Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn, http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/welsh13.html ). The client desires a name name and is most interested in the spelling of the name. He will not accept major or minor changes to the name.
James O Callan (Granite Mountain): TRANSFER OF ARMORY and RELEASE OF NAME Per pale vert and Or, a vol and in chief a tricune counterchanged. The name and device were registered November 2008. The client is transferring his registered device to Milana Lancia (name registered June 2011). Letters of Transfer and Name Release are included for Laurel.
Jonat Kerr (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE and BADGE (device) Or, a chevron gules between two spur rowels and a winged turtle sable. (badge) (Fieldless) A winged turtle sable. Jonat is a feminine Scots given name dated between 1531 and 1550 (“Early 16th Century Scottish Lowland Names,” Sharon Krossa, http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/lowland16/womenalpha.shtml ). Ker is a surname found in Black's The Surnames of Scotland, p.. 194-4 s.n. Ker, Kerr; this particular spelling as Kerr is dated to 1357. The client desires a female name and is most interested in the language/culture of the name (Scottish). She will not accept major changes to the name.
Kolfinna Oddsdóttir (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE Argent, a schnecke azure and in dester chief a seeblatt purpure. The name is Old Norse and both elements are found in “The Old Norse Name,” by Geirr Bassi Haralsson. Kolfinna is a feminine given name, p. 6. Oddr is a masculine given name, p. 13. The patronymic is constructed as illustrated on p. 17, -r > -s.
Leonora de l'étoile (Twin Moons): NEW NAME The name is said to be French. Leonora is cited in Withycombe as the Italian and (modern/19th C. ) form of the name, with Léonore the French form (p. 194 s.n. Leonora, Léonore). I can't understand how the documentation included with the submission explains/documents this given (it was the onlly documentation presented (I provided the Withycombe examples, although Withycombe is a poor source for the non-English forms of names). While I can't say at the moment if a name with mixed Italian and French elements is registerable (I'd be somewhat surprised if it weren't SPFF but otherwise allowed), I have little hope for the byname, meant to be French for “of the star.” Humans do not originate from the stars literally, and no documentation was provided that there might be a town with the name that translates to “Star,” as there is for moon (Luna, Spain), or that this might be a locative based on an inn sign name or ship names (there is an English inn sign, the Sterre, dated to 1322), but the client says nothing as to what this is to refer to, so I'm guessing the first, unregisterable option. (Bottom line: what does the client intend the byname to mean?) The client doesn't care as the gender of the name and is most interested in the meaning of the name.
Luisa Lacarra de Navarra (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME Luisa is a feminine given name found in “Cordobese names of the 15th century,” Marianne Perdomo ( http://www.historiaviva.org/nombres/nombres_cordob15-ing.shtml ). Lacarra is a Spanish surname, c. 1329; Enriquez de Lacarra was the illegitimate son of Henry I of Navarre ( http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAVARRE%20NOBILITY.htm ). de Navarra, “of, from Navarre,” referring to the Kingdom of Navarre in the region of (modern) northern Spain ( http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2890.txt ). This article does note that de Navarra was rarely used aside from the members and relatives of the royal family, and the name would be more likely seen as Navarro/Navarra, “the Navarese man/woman.” However, the legal aunt(?) of the client had her name registered through Caid in September 2011 as Enedina Lacarra de Navarre. Regarding the two bynames, the College of Arms said that a fully Spanish version would be ...Lacarra de Navarra. The client desires a female name and is most interested in the sound of the name.
Milana Lancia (Granite Mountain): ACCEPTANCE OF ARMORY TRANSFER The name was registered June 2011. A Letter of Acceptance is included for Per pale vert and Or, a vol and in chief a tricune counterchanged. from James O Callan is included for Laurel.
Morgan Donner (Tir Ysgithr): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, July 2009 Gules ermined, a threaded needle and a bordure, all argent. The name was registered July 2009. The original submission, Azure ermined argent, a thorn vine palewise argent., was returned for “lack of identifiability of the primary charge. There is nothing that makes this wavy line inherently a thorn vine. Section VII.7.a of the Rules for Submission requires that "Elements must be recognizable solely from their appearance." This charge is not recognizable.” The client has changed the primary charge and the field tincture.
Portia Lacarra de Navarra (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME Portia is the client's leg given name (verified by Seamus mac Riain, Black Boar Pursuivant). Lacarra is a Spanish surname, c. 1329; Enriquez de Lacarra was the illegitimate son of Henry I of Navarre ( http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NAVARRE%20NOBILITY.htm ). de Navarra, “of, from Navarre,” referring to the Kingdom of Navarre in the region of (modern) northern Spain ( http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2890.txt ). This article does note that de Navarra was rarely used aside from the members and relatives of the royal family, and the name would be more likely seen as Navarro/Navarra, “the Navarese man/woman.” However, the legal aunt(?) of the client had her name registered through Caid in September 2011 as Enedina Lacarra de Navarre. Regarding the two bynames, the College of Arms said that a fully Spanish version would be ...Lacarra de Navarra. The client desires a female name and is most interested in the sound of the name.
Rebekah Sital Saylam (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE Purpure, a kraken and a bordure argent. The name is Jewish. Rebekah is a feminine given name found in “Jewish Names in the World of Medieval Islam: Women's Names,” compiled by Yehoshua ben Haim haYerushalmi, ``Jewish Women's Names in an Arab Context: Names from the Geniza of Cairo,” by Julia Smith ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/yehoshua/jews_in_cairo/cairo_women.html ). Sital is cited as being in the Yehoshua paper as well, but I was unable to find it. Saylam is listed in “A sample of Jewish names in Valencia 1293-1485,” compiled by Yehoshua ben Haim haYerushalmi ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/yehoshua/names_in_valencia.html ); it appears to be a given name (appearing as the first element in a complete name); it is a masculine name. The client desires a female name and is most interested in the meaning of the name (none given). She requests that the name be changed to be authentic for language/culture (Jewish).
Tetinka Ribbing (Twin Moons): NEW DEVICE Or gouty de sang, on a point pointed azure a linden leaf Or. The name was registered June 2011.
Úlfr Vafri (Granholme): NEW NAME and DEVICE Sable, a wolf passant contourny sustaining in its mouth a sword palewise argent. The name is Old Norse. Úlfr is a masculine given name found in “The Old Norse Name,” Geirr Bassi Haraldsson, p. 15.n Vafri is found in Old Swedish as the byname Vafri byname meaning “to wander about,” from the Old Western Norse verb vafra, “to wander about, walk hither and thither, to totter" ( http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml#v ). The client desires a male name and is most interested in the meaning of the name, “Ulfr the Wanderer.”
The following submissions appear in the January 2012 Atenveldt Letter of Intent: Commentary was provided by Gunnvör silfrahárr [Gs] and Marta [MMM].
Cyneburga Thorisdohter (Tir Ysgithr): TWO NEW BADGES (Fieldless) A domestic cat couchant sable winged Or. The name was registered May 2007. Appears to be clear of conflict. The closest I found were: Per fess azure and vert, a tortoise-shell cat couchant guardant proper, winged Or. [Gwenhwyfar ferch Llewllyn ap Morganwyn, LOAR 01/1984]; Clear by RfS X.4.a.iii. for fieldlessness, and X.4.h. for the guardant posture. Is there another via X.4.d. for changing the color of at least half the cat? Torties are a mix of orange and black. [Gs] I'm guessing/hoping this is clear; if the emblazon is in the archives, we might request that it be pulled for comparison. Guardant doesn't provide any difference, as that's just the orientation of the head (maybe you're thinking of affronty?) [MMM] Purpure, a winged natural tiger couchant argent marked sable. [Joshua FitzRoberts, LOAR 05/2009]; Clear by RfS X.4.a.iii. for fieldlessness, X.4.d. for changing the color of at least half the cat and the wings. [Gs]
(Fieldless) A gyno-sphinx couchant argent crined sable winged Or. [Issobell de Montchrestien, LOAR 12/2005] Clear by RfS X.4.a.iii. for fieldlessness, X.4.d. for changing the color of most of the creature to argent, X.4.e. for cat vs. sphinx. [Gs] (Fieldless) A hunting horn bendwise sinister vert stringed sable. I found no conflicts. Everything with a hunting horn is clear by RfS X.4.a.iii. for fieldlessness, and X.4.h. for the bendwise orientation. There are only two registrations of green hunting horns that are multiply clear, meaning that all the others get another CD by X.4.d. [Gs]
Philomena Scrima (Granite Mountain): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, November 2011: Per chevron purpure and sable, three dragonflies in pall tails to center, a bordure wavy argent. The name was registered November 2011. This device was returned for a redraw, for violating the guidelines set forth on the May 2011 Cover Letter for a properly drawn per chevron field division; the field division here is too low. The submission has been redrawn.
The following submission have been registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms, December 2011: Arianwen ferch Arthur. Badge (see PENDS for household name). Per pale argent and azure, a lozenge counterchanged. The submitter has permission to conflict with the device of Christopher Devereux, Per pale argent and azure, a mascle fleury at the points counterchanged. This badge was intended to be associated with the household name Teulu Caer Mab. Since that name has been pended, we are unable to make that association at this time. Ariel Longshanks. Device. Argent, a natural dolphin haurient and a sea-lion respectant purpure. Asher
Tye. Name and device.
Per pale sable and Or,
a tree eradicated and a chief all counterchanged. Submitted as Caillech ingen Cú Dubh, the byname has two problems. First, the byname ingen Cú Dubh mixes pre-1200 and post-1200 spellings. Second, the father's name must be placed in the genitive (possessive) form. The pre-1200 form of the byname is ingen Chon Duib (the post-1200 form is inghean Chon Duibh). The submitter indicated she wanted the earlier form; we have changed it to that form in order to register the name. The
submitter requested authenticity for 10th-12th century Irish.
Unfortunately, no evidence was found that the given name was in use
after the 8th century. Therefore, we cannot meet her
request. Submitted as Caoilfhionn ingen ui Máel-ruanaid, the submitter indicated that she would accept no changes to the given name. Elmet was able to find this spelling of the given name dated to 1630. Thus we can overturn previous precedent which says that Caoilfhionn is a modern spelling of the earlier Caoilinn and hence unregisterable. Caoilfhionn is registerable as a grey area spelling of the name. To be compatible with the 17th century given name spelling, the byname must be completely Early Modern Gaelic. That form is inghean ui Mhaoil Ruanaidh. We have made that change in order to register the name. Colm Kile of Lochalsh. Alternate name Colm Gobiforn Storm. Honour Grenehart. Badge. Argent, on a chief embattled sable four mullets Or. Nice badge! Iosif
Volkov. Device. Per
chevron argent and azure, two wolves combatant each maintaining a
Latin cross azure and in base a double-bitted axe argent. Nice late period German name! The use of a scorpion inverted is allowed by precedent: Noir Licorne presented evidence from a previous LoAR which documented the use of a scorpion tergiant inverted as a crest in period: "There is a tergiant inverted scorpion as the crest of Sir William Sharington/Sherrington c. 1547 in Bedingfield and Gwynn-Jones' Heraldry, p. 104." Since the use of a scorpion tergiant inverted has been demonstrated in period, we rule that its use is not a step from period practice. [Alessandra Lorenza Simonetti, Oct 2009, A-An Tir] Please advise the submitter to draw the scorpion with some internal detailing to aid in its identification. Uilliam of Iona. Device. Per pale purpure and sable, a tankard argent between three pheons Or. The following submissions are returned by the College of Arms for further work, December 2011: Caoilfhionn inghean ui Maoil Ruanaidh. Device. Or, a half-moon knife argent handled of wood proper and a chief engrailed azure. This device is returned as the half-moon knife, being predominantly argent, does not have good contrast with the Or field. Please advise the submitter, upon resubmission, to draw the chief with more engrailings. Margherita da Ferrara. Name and device. Per bend sinister purpure and vert, a sun and on a chief Or a grape vine vert fructed purpure. This name conflicts with the registered Margaret di Ferrara. If the new proposed rules are implemented as proposed, these names will not conflict (as the difference between the two affect the sound and appearance of multiple syllables of the names). This device is returned for conflict with the device of Bianca Lucia da Como, Per pale azure and vert, a sun and on a chief Or an ivy vine proper. There is one CD for the change of field, but no difference between an ivy vine and a grape vine, as the shape of their leaves is similar. This device is also returned for using wax-based pencils or crayons on the submission forms, which has been cause for return since the May 2011 Laurel meetings. Varga János. Device. Azure, in fess a wolf sejant erect affronty argent sustaining a spear Or headed sable and maintaining in his dexter paw a lantern Or, upon a trimount vert. This device is returned for redraw, for violating section VII.7.a of the Rules for Submissions which requires that "Elements must be recognizable solely from their appearance." Many commenters had difficulty identifying the spear in this depiction as the spearhead has poor contrast with the field. The use of a vert trimount on a low-contrast field, usually azure, has been well documented in the past, but all exceptions to the rules must be provided with documentation each time they are to be registered. Fortunately, commenters provided sufficient documentation to register this motif. Most notably is the article "Materials in Support of the Case for the Trimount" found in the 1993 Known World Heraldic and Scribal Symposium proceedings. The August 2006 Letter of Pends and Discussion provides yet more examples of vert trimounts in Hungarian armory under the submission for Victor Ispan. Thus the use of the vert trimount on an azure field here is unremarkable.
The following is pended until the April 2012 College of Arms meetings:
Arianwen ferch Arthur. Household name Teulu Caer Mab. The submitter did not demonstrate that Caer Mab was a plausible construction derived from a given name. Commenters could not find evidence that Mab was used in Welsh or that it was used at all before the name appeared in Romeo and Juliet. Barring such evidence, this construction cannot be registered. After the close of commentary, Dolphin found Caer mabas what appears to be a grey period Welsh place name (dated to 1631). The source is Colin Gresham's Eifionydd: a study in landownership from the medieval period to the present day. We are pending this name in order to allow consideration of this new evidence. We have evidence that Teleu was used with personal names and perhaps with the names of regions. However, we do not know whether Caer mab is the sort of place that might be used in such a construction. This was item 1 on the Atenveldt letter of September 25, 2011.
Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy
c/o Linda Miku 2527 East 3rd Street Tucson AZ 85716 atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com
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