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ATENVELDT COLLEGE OF HERALDS 15 December 2008, A.S. XLIII
LETTER OF PRESENTATION Kingdom of Atenveldt

Unto Their Royal Majesties Walrick and Cecelia; Duchess Elzbieta Rurikovskaia, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Parhelium Herald!



This is the December 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. Please excuse the lateness of posting (I blame the leftover Halloween candy)! It precedes the external Letter of Intent that will contain the following submissions that are presented here, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry and consultation. Please have commentary to me 22 December 2008. I know that this is an extremely tight schedule at a very busy time of the year for a number of people, but anything you might be able to contribute would be appreciated.


End-of-Year Submissions Payments: The end of the year is approaching, and I have been asked to help facilitate the work done by our Kingdom Exchequer and your local exchequers. Since the exchequers at the local levels must list all their checks written this year (2008) on their reports which
are due to the Kingdom Exchequery 31 January 2009, and I need to have my own report complete in January as well (with the requisite submissions payments), I hope that we can work out a system that keeps us all from going insane over the holidays.
I'm asking if you can have all of your submissions and payments for those submissions sent to me by 15 December 2008. That will mean your
local exchequer will have provided checks for any new submissions early in the month, and their books can be closed (at least from an heraldic standpoint!). You can send resubmissions to me after that, since those do not require additional fees, but I suspect that no one is thinking very hard about heraldic submissions in the latter half of December!
Thank you very much for your cooperation in this matter. I think that this will also help you close your books and have a little more time in preparing your own Doomsday Reports as well. If you have any questions or comments, please feel free to contact me.


New Forms, New Fees: Don't forget that there are NEW submissions forms, downloadable from atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com, and from the Kingdom of Atenveldt website. USE THESE FORMS ONLY! Do NOT "use up" your old forms! Submissions on those will be returned to you, to transfer the information from them onto the NEW FORMS.

Also remember that as of 1 July 2008, submissions fees for new items have been reduced in the Kingdom of Atenveldt. The fee for a new name, device or badge is $7.00/item. Local heralds will retain $2.00/item for use in the running of their local offices; the remainder ($5.00) should be sent on to the Parhelium Herald's Office via a check or money order made payable to "Kingdom of Atenveldt, SCA, Inc." Thanks!


Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too: atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com.


Recent Actions by the College of Arms: Atenveldt submissions acted upon by the SCA College of Arms at its July 2008 meeting (the 20 March 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Intent - most of the Estrella War submissions) are found at the end of this report.


Please consider the following submissions for the December 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:


Beatriz Teixeyra Drago (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Gules, a flame and on a chief Or three gouts azure.

The name is 16th C. Portuguese. Beatriz is a feminine given name found in "Portuguese Names From the 16th C." Juliana de Luna ( http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/portugal16.htm ). Teixeyra is a surname found in "Portuguese Names From Lisbon, 1565," Aryanhwy merch Catmeal ( http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/portuguese/lisbon1565.html ) Drago is a common surname also found in Juliana's article. The introduction to Aryanhwy's article comments briefly of name construction of the time, and that double bynames were not common, but that there are examples of such, including a <descriptive> + <descriptive>; she cites the documented Manoel Lobo Teixeyra; as Drago is Portuguese for "dragon," this appears to fix that construction. The client desires a female name and is most interested in the language/culture of the name; she wishes it authentic as 16th C. Portuguese

I'm sure there's a lot of Scrabble points here for a name with a Y. And a Z! AND AN X! This is a fine name!

The gouts azure could be alternately blazoned as goutes de larmes.


Bella Donna Wynter (Twin Moons): NEW NAME

Bella Donna is a feminine Jewish name found in "Names of Jews in Rome In the 1550's," Yehoshua ben Haim haYerushalmi ( http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/Jewish/rome_article.html ). Wynter is an English surname dated to 1543 in "Names found in the Berkeley Hundred Court Rolls," Aryanhwy merch Catmael ( http://heraldry.sca.org/names/english/berkeley100.html ). The client's legal given name is Wynter, and she would like to use that as some aspect of her SCA name, so while this isn't the same usage (given name vs. byname), she has demonstrated that it is a period byname. Although this is a Roman Jewish name, I think it's fairly clear that it borrows heavily from Italian ("beautiful lady/woman"); a mixed Italian-English name is one step from period practice.

She desires a female name and is most interested the spelling of the name. She will not accept Major changes to the name.


Björn the Navigator (Sankt Vladimir): NEW DEVICE

Per chevron azure and argent, a tree blasted and eradicated argent.

The name appears in the 20 October 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Intent.


Edeline du Diekirch (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per bend sinister Or and azure, a bee sable and tower argent.

No documentation was provided for the given name. The one instance of it being registered by the College of Arms appears in the name of Marie Edeline. It was found in "French Surnames from Paris, 1421, 1423 & 1438," Aryanhwy merch Catmael ( http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/paris1423surnames.html ), with one entry dated 1421; it appears to be only a surname, not a given name, so the name submission appears to be lacking this. The only documentation for Diekirch is a Wikipedia entry. It is the capital city of the canton Diekirch and the district of Diekirch in Luxembourg. It is situated on the bands of the Sauer River and is in the modern region of The Ardennes ( http://www.visitluxembourg.com/maps.htm#Ardennes ). I think the name might be more accurate as de Diekirch, as the (byname) Edeline is French. The client desires a feminine name. She will not accept Major changes to the name; she will not accept a holding name.


Jerome the True (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Vert, two scarpes Or.

Although no documentation was received for the submission (a copy of the Jeromes previously registered by the CoA doesn't count!), the name it pretty cut and dry. St. Jerome was a scholar an translated the Bible into English; he was much revered in the Middle Ages, with the French form of his name Jerome, and Jeronimus in Latin writings in England at the end of the 12th C. (Withycombe, The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, 3rd edition, p. 175 s.n. Jerome). It is found nearly a dozen times in "Late Sixteenth Century English Given Names," Talan Gwynek ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/eng16/ ). While Reaney and Wilson's A Dictionary of English Surnames, 3rd edition, doesn't date True, Truue appears as a byname in 1180 and le Trewe in 1327 as meaning "loyal, trustworthy" (p. 455, s.n. True) . The client desires a male name. He will not accent Major changes to the name. He will not accept a holding name.


Willelmus cum manu (Brymstone): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Vert, on a seven-pointed mullet argent a hand vert all within an orle argent.

Willelmus is a masculine given name found in the Domesday Book 1086 and Curia Rolls 1199-1220, according to Withycombe, The Oxford Dictionary of English Given Names, 3rd edition, pp. 293-4, s.n. William. Cum manu, "with the hand," is dated c. 1200 as a byname in Reaney and Wilson, The Dictionary of English Surnames, 3rd edition, p. 215 s.n. Hand. The client desires a masculine name and is most interested in the meaning of the name, with cum manu referring to the hand. He will not accept Major changes to the name.


The following submissions appear in the November 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:


This month's commentary is provided by Eíbhlín of Caer Galen in the Outlands [ECG], Ines Alfón of the Barony of Forgotten Sea in Calontir [IA], Helena de Argentoune, Deputy Parhelium [HdA] and Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy [MMM].


Angelina al-Jabaliyya (Sundragon): NEW NAME CHANGE to Angelina de Gibraltar and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, May 2008

Argent, a chevron cotised gules between two crosses moline and a horse salient contourny azure.

This is a chevron 'throughout' cotised gules. [ECG] The forms do have the upper cotise's point just shy of touching the edge of the field - we weren't sure that a chevron cotised throughout was a Good Thing (tm), so the client avoided drawing it that way. [MMM]


Antoinette Isabeau du Dauphiné (Granite Mountain): NEW NAME

Antoinette is noted as a feminine derivative in Dauzat under the cited Antoine. The cite for Isabeau is the wife of Charles VI, Isabeau of Bavaria (dating to her birth about 1370.)

du Dauphin{e'} states: originally from Dauphin{e'}. rare, because the province was named in the fourteenth century.

Regarding double given names in French, the St. Gabriel report 3329 ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/3329 ) notes that double given names were not seen in France until the sixteenth century. The report does not cite a specific source for this statement. This is a plausible, but unlikely, very late period name. [IA]


Arria Felix (Twin Moons): NEW NAME

The site listed for this name also notes for name formation: "Girls were simply given their father's nomen, feminized, and sometimes a cognomen or a nickname such as a diminutive of her father's nomen or cognomen." This name appears clear. [IA]


Fergus MacInnes (Sundragon): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, May 2008: Sable, eight oars in annulo handles to center Or and on a chief argent a cannon barrel reversed sable.

This appears clear - based on the number and possible visual conflict, I also checked against spoons and found nothing similar. [IA]


Iseult Ó Treasaigh (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Or, a sword purpure between two hummingbirds rising, wings addorsed and beaks crossed in saltire vert.

Additionally, Bardsley's English Surnames s.n. Isard, et al. notes Ysolt was very common due to the Arthurian tale with Tristan and cites several other different spellings, including an Isylte Darwin, widow born in 1545 dated in 1612 as a widow, thus showing yet more of the many spellings of this name. [IA]

Ó Treasaigh is found Edward MacLysaght's Irish Families: Their Names, Arms and Origins, p. 289 s.n. (O) Tracey, Treacy. This is corroborated in Woulfe's Irish Names and Surnames, p. 654, and in Ó Corráin and Maguire's Irish Names, p. 172 s.n. Tressach. It seems that if this were a byname for a woman, the more correct form might be inghean Uí Tressagh (Tressagh being the genitive form of the masculine given name Tressach, both an Old Irish Gaelic c700-c900 and a Middle Irish Gaelic name, c700-c1200, found in Mari Elspeth nic Bryan's "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Tressach", http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Tressach.shtml ). The construction is found in Sharon Krossa's "Quick and Easy Gaelic Names", 3rd Edition ( http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/#clanaffiliationbyname ).

This byname should probably be Anglicized as noted in the header forms in MacLysaght if that more the sound and look the submitter wants. Also there is s.n. Tracey, Tracy in Reaney and Wilson as a locative surname: Henry Tracy 1139, Henry de Traci 1148. Iseult Tracy would be a fine English name. [IA] Further consultation with the client had her request to keep the name as Gaelic as possible, so we're going to try the Gaelic byname. [MMM]

Suggested reblazon: 'Or, a sword purpure and overall two hummingbirds rising, wings addorsed and beaks crossed in saltire vert'. [ECG] Gosh, but such a little bit of the birds is overalling the sword! [MMM]


Josephine du Lac (Sundragon): ADJUSTMENT OF NAME Josefa du Lac

Submitted as Josephine du Lac in the March 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Intent, the name was registered as Josefa du Lac July 2008 when no documentation was presented that the client's legal given name is Josephine. She has quickly supplied her driver's license (copy forwarded to Laurel), as she would much rather use her legal given name as an element of her SCA name.


Nemonna Vicana (Barony of Atenveldt): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, August 2006

Argent, in pale an hand inverted couped and winged gules and a fleur-de-lys, all within a bordure dovetailed vert.

The client's original name submission, Vicana de la Haye, was returned because it was two steps from period practice: "First, assuming the inscription from Roman Britain used to document this name was carved in 500 AD (which is just after the Roman period in Britain is typically said to have ended), there is a gap of nearly 800 years between the dates at which the byname is documented and when the given name might have occurred. In fact, it is likely that the inscription is older than this. Second, the mixture of the truly Roman name (albeit found in Britain) with an Anglo-Norman byname is highly unlikely. While Withycombe, The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, notes a trend towards fanciful Latin style names in 13th C England, few of these names are derived from the pool of attested Roman names."

Vicana is a late feminine Roman name, found as a tombstone inscription from a Roman cemetery in the British tribal city of Corinium Dobunnorum outside of modern-day Gloucester, England. The inscription translates to "To the shades of the departed Vicana, her husband Publius Vitalis placed this [memorial]." ( http://www.roman-britain.org/places/corinium.htm ) Vicana is the most important element of the name to the client.

Nemonnus is a name found on another tombstone in this cemetery: "To the spirits of the departed and Nemonnus Verecundus, who lived for seventy-five years, placed here." Nemonnus appears to be a nomen, with Verecundus (which means "bashful, shy, modest") a cognomen. It would be feminized as Nemonna.

I'm at a loss as how best to order the names. As submitted, this seems the best option, with the relationship of the individual to her father demonstrated by his nomen feminized (Nemonnus to Nemonna), and her chosen/most important element used as a cognomen. "Girls were simply given their father's nomen, feminized, and sometimes a cognomen or a nickname such as a diminutive of her father's nomen or cognomen," according to Legio XX--The Twentieth Legion, "Roman Names" ( http://www.larp.com/legioxx/nomina.html ). The client is willing to reverse the order, to Vicana Nemonna, if that is deemed more likely the construction.

The original device submission, Argent, a gauntlet inverted aversant sable winged gules grasping a fleur-de-lys fesswise purpure, a bordure flory counter-flory gules., was returned for "lack of identifiability, which violates RfS VIII.3. Either inverting the gauntlet or making it aversant would hinder its identifiability; doing both makes it extremely difficult to identify the charge. Adding the wings and the fleur-de-lys pushes it over the edge and makes the collection as a whole unidentifiable." The design has been modified and all charges are clear and distinct now.


Thomas de Revele (Tir Ysgithr): NEW DEVICE: Gules, a standing balance between three Templar crosses Or.

The name was registered July 2008.

The cross used is a "Templar cross," and has the equal arms and flat, triangular ends seen in the cross of the Portugese Order of the Knights of Christ ( Ordem dos Cavaleiros de Cristo), an order which sprang up from the Portugese Templar Priory after the Templars were dissolved in 1312; the cross of the Knights of Christ is shown voided of a plain cross (http://flagspot.net/flags/pt_oxp.html , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Christ_(Portugal) ). It appears that various Templar groups used many forms of a red cross, although the type depicted here is said to be one of the less-common ones ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Templar_Flag_6.svg ).


The following submissions are returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds for further work, November 2008:


Antoinette Isabeau du Dauphiné: NEW DEVICE

Azure, on a pale wavy sable fimbriated between two dolphins haurient respectant three fleurs-de-lys argent.

This is a pale 'wavy-counter-wavy' because the waves are not in sync. With a pale wavy, both lines move left at the same time, then right. [ECG]

I think this pale would be perhaps wavy, counter-wavy (similar to "embattled, counter-embattled"). Generally the whole ordinary "sways" in the same direction. Personal note: this jars me, but that is simply my aesthetics. I did not recognize the fleur-de-lys charges, but I do like the cant on the locative surname. There is a precedent return Dec 1991 (via Trimaris) stating: Catherine the Merry. Device. Azure, on a bend sinister wavy bretessy between a domestic cat sejant guardant and a fools cap Or, three hens palewise azure: "Submitted on the LoI as "wavy bretessy", a better blazon would be "wavy counter-wavy". However, neither really describes this non-Period treatment of a bend nor has such a treatment been previously found to be compatible with Period practice (see RfS VII.2 and VII.6).". Based on this and my hesitation regarding the fleurs-de-lys recognizability, I recommend return. [IA]

I finally tracked down a Precedent that addresses an ordinary "wavy counter wavy" or "bretessed": From the July 1992 LoAR, p.17: "This sort of wavy ordinary, with the waves opposed instead of parallel ('wavy bretessed' instead of 'wavy-counter-wavy'), was returned on the LoAR of Dec 91 as a non-period depiction." [Andrew Quintero, 09/99, R-Atenveldt]. Based on this, and finding no subsequent Precedent that overturns this one, the device will need to be returned. [MMM]

Device RETURNED for redrawing.


Arria Felix: NEW DEVICE: Per fess azure and vert, a brown Dutch banded rabbit sejant erect proper and in dexter chief a plate.

This looks like it might be returned for identifiability—the ears which are key to id'ing a rabbit are lost on the blue field. Also, it looks pictorial, which is also cause for return. [ECG]

URL: http://www.verlannahill.com/AboutDutch.htm : "It is said that the Dutch Rabbit originated in Holland sometime around 1850 or later where it is called the Hollander Rabbit. It found its way to England in 1864 where it has risen in continued popularity and been exported to points around the world. The Dutch is one of the oldest breeds of domestic rabbit known, owing its existence, as do all domestic rabbits, to the much earlier domestication of the European wild rabbit, or (true rabbit)." This rabbit coloration is OOP. This device rendition might also be considered to be "Picturesque" but I am not sure. I do not think "brown rabbit proper marked argent" would work as a workaround, and definitely would not work on the color tinctured fields. I recommend return for redraw. [IA]

If the client likes a "two-toned" rabbit, she might consider something like a rabbit "argent, spotted Or," or "argent, eared and hind-quartered/hind-legged/haunched Or" (not really a great option, but one that's based on the coloration of my rabbit badge).

Device RETURNED for contrast problems.


Babudius Titus Cicero (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Sable, a pile inverted issuant from sinister base and in sinister chief on a pellet fimbriated a covered tankard bendwise spilling its contents Or.

If the submitter allows major changes, I suggest the change described by Brickbat to Titus Babudius Cicero. Either way, this name looks clear and only registerable with the change. Side note: There is a nomina Titius listed in the submitted site (but nothing in the praenomen close to Babudius). [IA]

The mug is unrecognizable. Suggest return for redraw - not conflict-checked.[IA]

This looks like a pile inverted 'throughout' because it almost reaches the chief corner. Also, one can fimbriate a pellet, but only when it is

in the center of the device. [from Francois II, [in pale a tyger...and a chevron inverted gules fimbriated argent charged with five beehives

palewise Or.] The device violates RfS VIII.3 which states in part that "Voiding and fimbriation may only be used with simple geometric charges placed in the center of the design." This design forces the chevron to be abased, which moves it out of the center of the design; therefore it cannot be voided or fimbriated. [Voron Gregor'ev Tselomudrenni, LoAR 06/2004, Atenveldt-R] ]. And, the tankard need to be drawn Or, not sable, outlined Or. [ECG]

Further consultation with the client has resulted in his choosing the name Titus Babudius Cicero [HdA]. The name will appear in the December 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Intent.

Name to Laurel; Device RETURNED for redrawing.


Babudius Titus Cicero (Atenveldt): NEW HOUSEHOLD NAME (House of the Defiled? House Defiled?) and BADGE

Sable?, a covered tankard bendwise spilling its contents Or?.

No definition was given for "defiled," but if it is meant to have something bruised, mauled, spoiled, or sullied, the COED demonstrates this use c. 1325 and 1530. Whether it can be considered an appropriate name for a household is another matter. House Inverted (another 'participle' name) is an old household in the kingdom, but the name has not been registered; I'll check the files to see if there was ever an attempt to do so - it might be that it was returned for construction not found in period household names.

The household name is English; it appears in two different forms on the name and badge submission forms.

I'm not sure that this is a supposed to be on Argent, on a pellet a tankard....; or (Fieldless) On a pellet a tankard...; or Sable, a tankard.... At this point, I'd tend to consider this with a sable field and a tankard; a piece of armory can be placed on any shape field, and if the client wants to ultimately display this on a roundel, that's perfectly reasonable.

Assuming this is 'Sable, a covered tankard bendwise spilling its contents Or', then_ Conflict with Lachlan McBean, badge registered Dec. 2000 (via Atenveldt): 'Sable, a tankard bendwise argent foaming Or' with 1CD for the color of the tankard, but I don't think foaming gets a CD. There is no CD for the covered detail_[From Francois I, [(Fieldless) A covered cup argent] Conflict with Kathleen Erin-go-Burne-the-Bragh, Vert, a chalice argent containing flames Or. There is a CD for fieldlessness. There is no type difference between a cup and a covered cup. The flame in Kathleen's cup is a maintained charge, and its deletion is not worth difference. [Ysoria de Brai, 08/02, R-Atlantia]] [ECG] Even if Lachlan's tankard could be considered 1 CD for being half argent (foam) and half Or (tankard), hence a change of tincture, there is only 1 CD, and the conflict persists. [MMM]

"Household names must follow the patterns of period names of organized groups of people. Possible models include Scottish clans (Clan Stewart), ruling dynasties (House of Anjou), professional guilds (Bakers Guild of Augsburg, Worshipful Company of Coopers), military units (The White Company), and inns (House of the White Hart)." He needs to prove that an organized group of people would simply be known as an adjective such as this one. I am not sure if this would be offensive to a majority of people, but wold request other commentary on it. Regarding two different names on forms submitted at the same time: If I did not recommend return based on period construction, I would suggest pending at best to find out which form was preferred should it have been acceptable to move forward. [IA]

The tankard is more recognizable, but could be considered thin-line heraldry. Should you decide to move it forward, it appears clear of conflict. A tankard is a CD from a chalice or goblet per [a tankard vs a chalice] [There is a CD] for the very visible difference between a tankard and a chalice with its long stem and unique outline. (Brigid O'Farrell of Beckery, 9/95 p. 7) [IA]

Household Name RETURNED for unrecognized name pattern/ambiguousness of name form; Badge RETURNED for conflict (as Sable, a tankard...Or.)


Granite Mountain, Shire of (Granite Mountain): NEW ORDER NAME and BADGE (Order of the Mountain Peregrine)

Per fess indented vert and sable, in chief a arrow inverted and a bow crossed in saltire and in base an ermine spot Or.

NOTE: This is an important aspect concerning all of the following submissions from Granite Mountain:

Granite Mountain, as a Shire is allowed at most four pieces of armory and four names. This is too many and several should be returned. If their status is changing, that notification should be included with these items. They should at a minimum all be pended barring notification of the Shire's change of status. [IA]

I have been informed by the Kingdom Seneschale that the Shire's petition is likely to be presented to the BoD at its April or July 2009 meeting. While the Shire is doing its best to get its ducks in a row, commentary solicited from various heralds concerning when Order names and insignia should be submitted to the CoA for registration tends to lean toward waiting until the status has changed officially. I don't see a problem with submitting ahead of schedule, given the time required for College commentary and hearing back on the final results, but this might be jumping the gun a bit. As one will see below, there are a number of issues that must be dealt with in-kingdom first. [MMM[

Order of the adjective + creature is listed as an infrequently used pattern Ex: "Defeated Dragon" However, would Mountain be an appropriate adjective? [IA]

Would this device be considered slot machine as the bow is not nocked of the arrow? If not, this appears clear.[ECG]


Granite Mountain, Shire of: NEW ORDER NAME and BADGE (Order of the Mountain's Beauty): Per fess indented vert and sable, two ermine spots Or.

This order does not appear to match a period order name formation. The closest would be Adjective + Quality - "Christian Charity," but Mountain for Mountain Beauty does not appear to be a proper adjective and changing from the possessive may be a major change. [IA]

Suggested reblazon: 'Per fess indented vert and sable, in pale two ermine spots Or'. This conflicts with the badge for the Order of the Mountain Peregrine,with only 1 CD for changing half the type of the charge group, but I assume they'll give themselves permission to conflict. [ECG]

Name RETURNED for construction problems; Badge HELD for status update.


Granite Mountain, Shire of : NEW ORDER NAME and BADGE (Order of the Mountain's Finesse): Per fess indented vert and sable, a rapier Or.

This order does not appear to match a period order name formation. The closest would be Adjective + Quality - "Christian Charity," but Mountain for Mountain Finesse does not appear to be a proper adjective and changing from the possessive may be a major change.

Finesse: A quote by Jean de la Bruyere (1645-1696) states "Finesse is neither a very good nor yet a very had quality. It hovers between vice and virtue, and there are few occasions in which it cannot be, and perhaps ought not to be superseded by common prudence. La Bruyere" showing finesse possibly to be known as a quality in period - earlier reference than this is needed. Finesse is shown in Merriam-Webster as known in 1528.

 [Per fess enarched sable and gules, a <charge>] Two-color fields with complex lines of division should not have charges overlying them, per Rule VIII.3. The enarched line is considered a complex line in SCA armory, though no difference is granted between it and an untreated (straight) line. (Arthur Bromere, December, 1992, pg. 16)

"RfS VIII.3. Armorial Identifiability. -  _  For instance, a complex line of partition could be difficult to recognize between two parts of the field that do not have good contrast if most of the line is also covered by charges"

The thinness of the rapier keeps the line of division visible and recognizable. This should not be a problem over a complex line of division even of two colors as most of the line is not covered by the charge.

This conflicts with Dmitrii Volkovich's badge registered in January of 1995 (via the Middle): "(Fieldless) A sword Or" There is not a CD between a rapier and a sword and one CD for the field(less) difference. [ECG found this conflict as well.]

Should the rapier be inverted, it would conflict with Mikael of Monmouthshire's badge registered in March of 1990 (via Ansteorra):Per pale azure and gules, a sword inverted palewise throughout Or., with one CD for the field. [IA]

Conflict with Dmitrii Volkovich, badge registered Jan 1995 (via the Middle):(Fieldless) A sword Or, with only 1 CD for field changes. Per precedent, a rapier is the same as a sword [Azure, in pale two wolf's heads erased addorsed and conjoined at the neck argent and two rapiers inverted in saltire Or] This is being returned for conflict with the badge for the Order of the Silverwolf, Azure, in pale two wolf's heads erased addorsed and conjoined at the neck argent and two swords inverted in saltire Or, registered to Borealis in this letter. We do not register identical items, even to the same submitter. Blazon A is considered identical to blazon B if, given blazon A and B, you could draw them identically. Therefore only one of those two blazons can be registered. As it is reasonable to draw charges blazoned as swords as rapiers, we are only registering the more general badge; however, that badge can be drawn with rapiers as needed. [Borealis, Barony of, 12/99, R-An Tir] [ECG]

Name RETURNED for construction problems; Badge RETURNED for conflict.


Granite Mountain, Shire of : NEW ORDER NAME and BADGE (Order of the Mountain's Grace): Per fess indented vert and sable, a vol Or.

This order does not appear to match a period order name formation. The closest would be Adjective + Quality - "Christian Charity," but Mountain for Mountain Grace does not appear to be a proper adjective and changing from the possessive may be a major change.

The vol is too small. If it were drawn of a proper size, it should be returned for identifiability issues of the field: [Per fess enarched sable and gules, a <charge>] Two-color fields with complex lines of division should not have charges overlying them, per Rule VIII.3. The enarched line is considered a complex line in SCA armory, though no difference is granted between it and an untreated (straight) line. (Arthur Bromere, December, 1992, pg. 16)

"RfS VIII.3. Armorial Identifiability. -  _  For instance, a complex line of partition could be difficult to recognize between two parts of the field that do not have good contrast if most of the line is also covered by charges". [IA]

Conflict with Brioc Morcannuc, registered May 1998 (via the Outlands): Azure, a vol Or, with only 1 CD for changes to the field. [ECG]

Name RETURNED for construction problems; Badge RETURNED for conflict and identifiability issues of the field.


Granite Mountain, Shire of : NEW ORDER NAME and BADGE (Order of the Mountain's Leaf): Per fess indented vert and sable, a leaf Or.

This is a 'leaf inverted bendsinisterwise'—a standard leaf is drawn stem to base. [ECG]

The leaf is too small and is not completely fesswise, not bendwise sinister. If it were drawn of a proper size and orientation, it should be returned for identifiability issues of the field.

[Per fess enarched sable and gules, a <charge>] Two-color fields with complex lines of division should not have charges overlying them, per Rule VIII.3. The enarched line is considered a complex line in SCA armory, though no difference is granted between it and an untreated (straight) line. (Arthur Bromere, December, 1992, pg. 16)

"RfS VIII.3. Armorial Identifiability. - _ For instance, a complex line of partition could be difficult to recognize between two parts of the field that do not have good contrast if most of the line is also covered by charges". [IA]

I think there is an issue here as to whether mountains or a mountain can have a leaf; trees and other green plants have leaves. The vast majority of "Leaf" names registered by the CoA are associated with plants (Maple Leaf, Palm Leaf, etc.) [MMM]

Name HELD for status (and possible reconsideration of plausibility); Badge RETURNED for armorial identifiability issues.


Granite Mountain, Shire of : NEW ORDER NAME and BADGE (Order of the Mountain's Peak): Per chevron vert and sable, in base an ermine spot Or.

This is almost 'per chevron throughout'. Looks clear since the spot is in base. [ECG] This badge conflicts with Morwenn Ddu Wystl's badge registered in November of 1995 (via Calontir): "(Fieldless) An ermine spot Or." with one CD only for the field(less). [IA]

Name HELD for status update (the elements still need to be verified as period, but there is no conflict); Badge RETURNED for conflict.


Granite Mountain, Shire of (Granite Mountain): NEW ORDER NAME and BADGE (Order of the Mountain's Roots): Per fess indented vert and sable, a tree eradicated Or.

In regard to the name, bear in mind the following return by the SCA College of Arms, March 2007, which I think will impact its registerability:

"Atenveldt, Barony of. Order name Order of the Roots of the Barony of Atenveldt.

"This name does not follow documented patterns of period order names. The submission was documented as following the pattern "basing a name on Things". However, this pattern is very specifically names based on heraldic charges. While a tree eradicated has its root system showing, there are no examples of just a generic "root" in period heraldry, nor is there a unique period depiction thereof that can be used to justify the charge as following period patterns of heraldic charges. Without meeting one of these two criteria, such a heraldic charge cannot be registered. If a charge cannot be registered, its name cannot be used to justify an order name using the pattern heraldic charge." [MMM]

Conflict with Thomas Towlewardie, badge registered Feb. 2002 (via Atenveldt): (Fieldless) A tree blasted and couped the trunk transfixed by an arrow fesswise reversed Or, with only 1 CD for changes to the field. Per precedent [Elspeth] [A tree couped gules] Conflict with ... Per bend sinister embattled argent and gules, a tree eradicated gules, and ... Quarterly azure and argent, a crabtree eradicated gules. In both cases there is a CD for fieldlessness, but nothing for the type of tree nor for the difference between eradicated and couped. [William Flanagan, 02/00, R-Atenveldt]_and the arrow is maintained and of no value for conflict checking. [ECG]

This badge conflicts with Brianne Hyla's device registered in July of 1984 (via Ansteorra): "Per chevron Or and vert, in base a maple tree couped Or." with only one CD for the change of field. No change for placement on the field, as the registered device is a forced placement to base. [IA]


Granite Mountain, Shire of : NEW ORDER NAME and BADGE (Order of the Mountain's Summit): Per chevron vert and sable, in base three ermine spots one and two Or.

The closest I find is the following: Cynon Yscolan ap Myrddin's device registered in November of 1990 (via the West): "Vert, three ermine spots in pall inverted, tails outwards, Or." [IA]

Name HELD for status update (the elements still need to be verified as period, but there is no conflict); Badge HELD for status update.


Granite Mountain, Shire of NEW ORDER NAME and BADGE (Order of the Mountain's Thunder): Per fess indented vert and sable, in chief three lightning bolts in pile and in base an ermine spot Or.

Possible conflict with Igor of Throckmorton, registered July 2002 (via Atenveldt): Gules, three lightning bolts in pile Or and in base a gauntlet aversant argent., with 1 CD for changes to the field, but I don't think you'll get a CD for changing only 1 of four charges on the field. [ECG] This is a conflict; at least 50% of the charges need to be changed to garner a CD. [MMM]

The name might be plausible as Mountain Thunder (a meteorological event associated with or located around a mountain), but it is less likely as thunder being possessed by a mountain. While there is no conflict with the name of the Barony of Mons Tonitrus, as the terms are rendered in different languages, the Barony is located in the Kingdom of Atenveldt and there might be some degree of confusion between that group and an Order associated with a different group. [MMM]

Name HELD for status update (and possible consideration); Badge RETURNED for conflict.


I happened to come across this commentary from the College of Arms that might help in the construction in some of the above Order names:

Atenveldt, Kingdom of. Order name Order of the Flower of the Desert. (August 2003 LoAR) (also registered Order of the Pilgrim of the Desert, Order of the Star of the Desert)

Submitted as Order of the Desert Flower, no documentation was submitted and none was found that a toponymic would have been used as an adjective in an order name in period. Lacking such evidence, this name was not registerable as submitted. Meradudd Cethin's article "Project Ordensnamen OR What do you mean that the Anceint[sic] and Venerable Order of the Most Holy and Righteous Wombat's Toenail isn't period?" (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/) dates the order name Star of the Noble House to 1351. This shows one example of a period order name constructed as [Item] of [Generic toponymic]. There are many period order names constructed as [Item] of [Placename] and many generic toponymics used in order names (most famously Temple and Hospital). Therefore, order names in the pattern [Item] of [Generic toponymic] are registerable, assuming that the item and generic toponymic are appropriate. Therefore, as the submitters allow any changes, we have changed this order name to Order of the Flower of the Desert in order to register this name.


The following submissions were registered by the SCA College of Arms at its July 2008 Meetings:


Abigail Fairechild of Maidstone. Name and device. Per fess potenty azure and argent vêtu counterchanged, an hourglass argent and a key palewise wards to base sable.

Áedán Mór Mac Donough. Device change. Gules, in pall inverted four triquetras, the center one inverted Or, on a bordure per pale sable and Or a double tressure counterchanged.

His previous device, Or, a bend sinister between two ermine spots sable and overall a griffin's head erased gules, is retained as a badge.

Ailill Lockhart. Device. Per pale gules and vert, a falcon argent and an orle Or.

Áine filia Michaelis. Name and device. Quarterly gules and sable, a thistle bendwise sinister argent.

The use of a Gaelic given name and a Latinized patronymic byname is not a step from period practice. Examples of this construction can be found in the Irish Annals, including the following: Dunflaith filia Flaithbertaigh m. Loingsich U799.11; Tuathlaithi filie Cathail, regine Laginorum [Note: name is in genitive case due to sentence structure] T754.2; Muirenn filia Cellaigh Cualann, regina Irgalaigh U748.6; Be Fáil filia Cathail, regina Donnchada U801.6; Condal filia Murcodha, abatissa tighe sruithe Cille Daro U797.4; Euginis filia Donnchada, regina regis Temorie U802.7. Other examples can be found in Mari Elspeth nic Brian, "Index of Names in Irish Annals".

Ameria of Atenveldt. Name and device. Azure, a unicorn couchant between three butterflies argent.

Nice armory.

Angelika von Schwaben. Device. Azure, a harpy displayed and on a chief embattled argent three nesselblätter vert.

Annya Sergeeva. Name.

The documentation for this name was inadequately summarized; no dates were provided for either element. Had the commenters not supplied the missing information, we would have been forced to return this name.

Aretaeus Spartiatês. Name and device. Per fess sable and gules, in pale a griffin segreant maintaining two swords and a tree eradicated argent.

Submitted as Aretaeus of Sparta, the submitter asked that the byname be put into Greek. The Greek byname meaning "of Sparta" is Spartiatês, so we have changed the name to Aretaeus Spartiatês. We note that Aretaeus is a Latinized form of the given name. If the submitter wants a wholly Greek name, we recommend Aretaios Spartiatês or Areteas Spartiatês.

Bran of Twin Moons. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Or, in pale a double-horned anvil and a sheaf of arrows sable, a chief embattled vert.

Please advise the submitter to draw the arrows larger. Submitted under the name Bran Padraig of Antrim.

Brandr hani. Name.

This was pended on the November 2007 LoAR.

Brian the Pious. Badge. Per pale wavy Or and sable all annulety counterchanged.

Brian the Pious and Zhigmun' Broghammer. Joint badge. Vert, a cross crosslet saltirewise argent.

Nice badge.

Cecilie Blessard. Name.

This name combines English and Dutch; this is one step from period practice.

Ceridwen ferch Gruffudd. Device. Per chevron gules and azure, on a chevron rayonny on the upper edge Or three crescents azure.

Charles the Bear. Badge (see RETURNS for household name). Or, a chain fesswise throughout and fracted sable.

Christiane Dax. Device. Argent, a pall gules surmounted by a skull sable.

Constancia le Gode. Name.

Davin ap Einion. Name.

Submitted as Davin ap Gwaednerth ap Einion, the documentation supplied for Gwaednerth was Gruffudd, Enwau i'r Cymry/Welsh Personal Names, who notes a Welsh prince by this name from 600. However, Gruffudd uses standard modern forms for his entries. Lacking evidence either that Gwaednerth is an appropriate 7th century form of the name or that the name remained in use until the end of our period, when the modern form is plausible, it is not registerable. As the submitter allows all changes, we have dropped the problematic element to register the name as Davin_ap Einion. Davin is the submitter's legal middle name. As it is a given name by type, it is registerable as a given name.

Deletha of Anandyrdale. Device change. Per saltire Or and vert, in pale two arrows fesswise sable and in fess two cats sejant guardant argent.

Her previous device, Argent, on a bend wavy vert between two gouttes azure a cat sejant gardant palewise argent its front paws resting upon an arrow Or, is released.

Étaín ingen Áedáin. Device. Purpure, on a pall between a griffin segreant and two triskeles argent, a pall of chain sable.

Ewout Gheretssoen. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Nice early 15th century Dutch name!

Felipe Cuervo. Name and device. Per bend sinister gules and sable, a bee statant proper and a glaive bendwise sinister argent.

Finn Hans. Name and device. Argent, a penguin statant affronty head to sinister proper, a bordure per saltire sable and vert.

As documented, this name was two steps from period practice: one for combining Old Norse and German in the same name, and another for a temporal disparity of greater than 300 years between the two elements (pre c.1100 for the given name and 1495 for the byname). However, the Diplomatarium Norvegicum, vol. 7, no. 336, has the name Finn a Bylini in 1403. This removes the temporal disparity and allows the name to be registered. This name combines Norwegian and German; this is one step from period practice.

The use of a penguin is a step from period practice.

Gwyneth Hawke. Name and device. Lozengy Or and gules, a hind statant argent and on a base gules an escallop inverted argent.

Gwyneth Hawke. Badge. (Fieldless) An escallop inverted per pale gules and Or.

Nice badge.

Irena Rshtuni. Name change from holding name Irena of Tir Ysgithr.

Irena is the submitter's legal given name.

James of Windale. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Azure, a demi-bear couped and on a chief triangular argent a double-horned anvil sable.

Submitted under the name Seamus mac Raibert.

James the Black. Name and device. Sable, a sword argent between a pair of gauntlets Or.

Good name!

Jaqueline la Boursiere. Name.

Jason Thorne of Antioch. Badge. (Fieldless) A scorpion inverted argent.

Jason Thorne of Antioch. Badge. (Fieldless) A wolf's head erased contourny per fess gules and Or.

John Read. Device. Per bend sinister vert and argent, a bend sinister gules between a sheaf of arrows argent tied gules and a wooden weaver's shuttle palewise proper, threaded gules.

Josefa du Lac. Name and device. Purpure, a wyvern displayed between flaunches argent, each charged with an arrow inverted purpure.

Submitted as Josephine du Lac, the given name was documented from Withycombe, Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, s.n. Josephine and as the submitter's legal given name. However, Withycombe gives no pre-1600 examples of Josephine, and no proof of the legal name was provided. Past precedent indicates that Josephine is not a period name:

Josephine Ysabelle de Laval. Name. According to Withycombe "The Empress Josephine, who is responsible for the modern vogue of the name, was actually named Marie Josèphe Rose, Josephine being a pet-name." Barring documentation that Josephine is a period given name, it cannot not used. [LoAR 04/1998]

We have found one example of a period feminine form of Joseph. Julio de Atienza, Nobiliario Español, on p. 780 notes that María Josefa Pimentel was made Duchess of Toledo in the late 16th century. We have changed the name to Josefa du Lac in order to register it. This name combines Spanish and French; this is one step from period practice.

Katerina Kristoff. Name and device. Sable, a griffin between three crosses formy argent.

Nice device. Please advise the submitter to draw the charges larger.

Kateryn uxor Michaelis. Name and device. Or, on a hand vert between in chief two lions combatant azure a Celtic cross Or.

Konrad Rickert. Name and device. Per bend sable and gules, three crescents and three wolf's teeth issuant from dexter argent.

The depictions we have found of wolf's teeth in period heraldry invariably have the teeth conjoined at the base. We encourage this depiction of wolf's teeth, but will accept emblazons where the teeth are not quite conjoined as in this submission. The wolf's teeth must still reach, or nearly reach, the per pale line.

Konrad von Elz. Name and device. Argent, a griffin contourny within an orle of six crosses potent sable.

Submitted as Konrad von Eltz, the documentation was for the spelling Elz. We have changed the name to Konrad von Elz to match the documentation.

Nice armory.

Leo Valentini. Name.

Madeleine de Lorraine. Name.

Submitted as Madelon_ de Lorraine, the submitter requested authenticity for France. Madelon was documented as the submitter's legal given name. The standard medieval French form of the given name is Madeleine. Both Madeleine and de Lorraine appear in Cateline de la Mor, "Sixteenth Century Norman Names". We have changed the name to Madeleine de Lorraine to meet her request for authenticity.

Magdalena de Villanueva. Name.

Listed on the LoI as Magdelena de Villanueva, both the forms and the documentation showed the given name as Magdalena; we have made this correction.

Marie de Valence. Name.

Martin de Gras. Name.

Matsumoto Nagetane. Name.

The documentation was inadequately summarized on the LoI; no indication was given what type of element Matsumoto was, and no dates were provided for either element. Had the commenters not supplied the missing information, we would have been forced to return it.

This name follows the pattern family name + nanori. While this pattern is atypical in Japanese, it is registerable: There was some question whether this name followed construction patterns found in Japanese names. We believe it does reflect a documentary form, the form [surname] + [nanori] (a nanori is a formal name reserved to the aristography [sic], according to Solveig Throndardottir, Name Construction in Medieval Japan). This is the form of the name that would appear on official documents. However, the form [surname] + [yobina] + [nanori] is considerably more likely, especially for the 16th C (the yobina is a less formal "use" name). If the submitter is interested in a 16th C name, we suggest something like Yamahara Tarou Yorimasa; according to the author of the work cited above, Tarou is the most stereotypical of masculine yobina. [LoAR 03/2006, Yamahara Yorimasa, Æthelmearc-A]

Micahel Corey. Name (see PENDS for device).

Morgan MacDuff. Name (see RETURNS for badge).

The name was documented as combining a Welsh given name with a Scots byname; such combinations are a step from period practice. However, the name can be documented as wholly Scots; Margaret MacDuibhshithe notes that Black, The Surnames of Scotland, s.n. Forest dates Morgan de Forest to Aberdeen in 1402.

Rachel of Atenveldt. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Argent, a hedgehog rampant contourny sable, on a chief vert two caltraps argent.

Submitted under the name Rachel Ter Khorenatsi.

Robert Heinrich. Name.

Rosaline Fagane the Mad. Name.

Submitted as Rosaline Fagen_ the Mad, no documentation was provided for the byname Fagen, and none found by the commenters. We have changed the name to Rosaline Fagane the Mad in order to register it; Fagane is an anglicized Irish byname dated to temp. Elizabeth I - James I in Woulfe, Sloinnte Gaedheal is Gall: Irish Names and Surnames, s.n. Fágán.

Rose the Jeweler. Name and device. Ermine, three trees eradicated within a bordure vert.

The submitter requested authenticity for early period Ireland. As no part of this name is early period or Irish, we cannot make this name authentic without wholly changing it.

Sabrina of Granite Mountain. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Or, on a bend sinister between a winged cat sejant and a sexfoil pierced purpure, three pawprints argent.

The use of pawprints is a step from period practice.

Submitted under the name Ni'ma al-'Aliyya.

Samuel Milde. Name and device. Azure, an owl perched upon and sustaining a ball-peen hammer fesswise Or.

Submitted as Samuel Mildt, the LoI lacked a summary of the documentation for the byname, which was cited as "Bahlow, p. 367". Inspection of the relevant entry showed Mildt as an undated subheader spelling, under the header Milde. Undated header spellings in Bahlow are only registerable if it is demonstrated that the form is consistent with period spellings. No such evidence was provided, so we have changed the byname to Milde, which is dated to 1306 in Brechenmacher, Etymologisches Woerterbuch der deutschen Familiennamen, s.n. Mild(e).

Serafina de la Mar. Name and device. Argent, a tree blasted and eradicated and on a chief azure three mullets of six points Or.

Submitted as Serafina de la Mar del Norte, no documentation was provided for the byname and none was found by the commenters. The simple byname de la Mar appears in Juliana de Luna, "Spanish Names from the Late 15th Century". We have dropped the final phrase in order to register the name. This name combines Italian and Spanish; this is one step from period practice.

Please advise the submitter to draw the tree more tree-like and less stick-like.

Shasta of Windale. Name change from holding name Joan of Ered Sul.

Siani Euraid. Device. Quarterly per fess rayonny gules and Or, two serpents nowed Or and two fleurs-de-lys sable.

Sibylla Timida de Cantabria. Device change. Or, a griffin contourny and on a chief sable, a cat couchant guardant Or.

Her previous device, Or, a griffin segreant to sinister and on a chief sable two coneys couchant respectant Or, is retained as a badge.

Steinn h{o,}ldr. Name and device. Purpure, in pale two picks in saltire and a heart voided, a bordure embattled argent.

Submitted as Sten h{o,}ldr, this name had two steps from period practice, one for combining Old Norse and Swedish and another for a temporal disparity of greater than 300 years between the 16th C date for the given name and the pre c. 12th C date for the byname. As the submitter allows all changes, we have substituted the Old Norse form of the given name, Steinn, which appears 14 times in the Landnámabók.

Thomas de Revele. Name.

Submitted as Thomas d'Revel_, the byname was incorrectly formed because in French de only elides before vowels. Additionally, no copies of the documentation for Revel as a period French place name were provided. We have changed the name to Thomas de Revele, using a form of the byname which occurs in Géraud's edition of the 1292 census of Paris, in order to register the name.

Thome Spyle Syngere. Name (see RETURNS for device).

The LoI did not provide any documentation for the byname Syngere, only for le Syngere. However, the submitted spelling, without the definite article, is reasonable given the form Synger, which is dated to 1583 in Bardsley, A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames, s.n. Singer.

Þóra in kristna. Name.

Submitted as Þóra inn kristni, inn kristni is the masculine form of the byname. We have changed the name to Þóra in_ kristna, using the feminine form of the byname, as Old Norse descriptive bynames which are based on adjectives must agree in gender with the given name.

Ulrich the Strong. Name and device. Or, a griffin segreant gules maintaining a triskele, an orle sable.

This name combines English and German; this is one step from period practice.

Wilhelm Singer. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Per saltire azure and argent, in fess two bears combatant sable.

While it has been the practice of recent Pelican Sovereigns to almost exclusively the form <given name> + <branch name> when forming a holding name, this is not the only choice. Precedent from the tenure of Bruce points out that: when forming a holding name, we either use elements from the submitted name (which we can therefore assume are acceptable to the client) or else the mundane name and SCA branch, following a procedure carefully defined beforehand. (Jay MacPhunn, July, 1993, pg. 17) We have chosen the former option in this case. Submitted under the name Bjorn Wilhelm Singer.


The following submissions were returned by the College of Arms for further work, July 2008:


Bjorn Wilhelm Singer. Name.

This is returned for administrative reasons because no summary of the documentation for Bjorn was provided on the LoI, and no photocopies were provided to Laurel. The given name Bjorn was documented from Siebicke, Historisches Deutsches Vornamenbuch; this source is not listed on Appendix H, so copies of the relevant pages are required. Because this is an administrative return, we are explicitly not addressing the registerability or authenticity of the name at this time. His device was registered under the holding name Wilhelm Singer.

Bran Padraig of Antrim. Name.

This name has a number of problems. First, neither double given names nor unmarked patronyms are attested in Irish Gaelic during our period. Barring evidence of their use, they are not registerable.

Second, the documentation for the byname of Antrim was not properly summarized. This issue alone is grounds for return. Additionally, no photocopies of the documentation were provided, though the source cited is not an Appendix H source. This issue by itself is also grounds for return.

We would correct both problems by dropping the locative byname and turning the second given name into a marked patronym, e.g., Bran mac Padraig_, but the submitter does not allow major changes.

His device was registered under the holding name Bran of Twin Moons.

Charles the Bear. Household name Hafnar leysini.

The household name is returned because it lacks a designator. RfS III.2.b says that "household names must consist of a designator that identifies the type of entity and at least one descriptive element". Neither leysini "freedman" nor hafn "haven/harbor"properly identifies the type of entity. (Additionally, the submitted leysini appears to be a typo for the documented leysingi.)

This is also returned for lack of documentation. No documentation was submitted and none found by the commenters that "Freedman Haven/Harbor" follows patterns of names for organized groups of people in Old Norse speaking cultures during our period. It is necessary to document a household naming pattern to a culture that uses the language in which the name is submitted. Please see the January 2007 cover letter for a further discussion of this issue.

Listed on the LoI as Harnar leysini, the forms gave the name as Hafnar leysini. Independent of the documentation and construction issues, Hafnar leysingi is incorrectly constructed for the desired meaning as Hafnar is in the genitive case. The Old Norse word for 'haven' is hafn in the nominative case.

Dubhghlais Brocc. Name.

The name has a number of problems. First, the given name Dubhghlais was documented from Woulfe, Sloinnte Gaedheal is Gall: Irish Names and Surnames, in the section on masculine given names. These names are all modern forms; while some of these forms may be consistent with period forms, citations from this section of the book are not, by themselves, sufficient documentation for registering an Irish masculine name. The commenters were unable to find any other documentation for Dubhghlais as a period Irish masculine name; lacking such evidence, it is not registerable.

Additionally, both elements were documented as given names. As noted earlier in this letter in the return of Bran Padraig of Antrim, neither double given names nor unmarked patronyms are attested in Irish Gaelic, and barring evidence for their usage they are not registerable.

The LoI noted that if the submitted name was not registerable, the submitter would accept the form Douglas Brock, even though he does not otherwise allow major changes. However, we cannot consider alternate name submissions unless full documentation is provided for them on the LoI, and no documentation was provided for this name.

Ewout Gheretssoen. Device. Quarterly barry wavy azure and argent, and gules, a comet bendwise sinister inverted argent.

This device is returned for conflict with the device of Chavah bat Mordechai, Per fess purpure and vert, a shooting star bendwise sinister argent. There is a CD for the field. However, shooting star is an SCA-defined term meaning comet inverted, thus the CD for changes to the field is the only difference.

Please advise the submitter that there is some question on whether or not an argent comet can be used on this field due to the lack of contrast between the comet and the first and fourth quarters of the field. We decline to rule on that issue at this time.

Fíne ó Catháin. Name.

There are two problems with this name. First, in Gaelic names, the given name and the byname must agree in gender. The given name Fíne is feminine but the clan byname ó Catháin (more properly Ó Catháin) is masculine. Second, the name has two steps from period practice. The given name is Old Irish and the byname is Early Modern Irish, and this combination of languages is one step from period practice. The given name is dated to 800 and 805, but the byname is dated to the late 16th/early 17th C, and this temporal disparity is a second step from period practice. Ó Corrain and Maguire, Irish Names, s.n. Cathán indicate that this is also the Old and Middle Irish form of the name and they note a saint Cathán of the Dál nAraide of Antrim. We would change the name to the wholly feminine and wholly Old Irish Fíne ingen huí Chatháin, but the submitter doesn't allow major changes. Both changing the language of an element and the gender of an element are major changes.

Leo Schleif. Name.

The byname was documented as an undated header spelling in Bahlow, Dictionary of German Names. Undated header spellings in Bahlow, as with other sources, are only registerable if it is demonstrated that they are consistent with period forms of the byname. The only dated citations in this entry are Schersleifer Iglau 1369 and Slifsteyn Liegnitz 1368. A somewhat more similar byname, Schleyffer, can be found in Aryanhwy merch Catmael, "German Names from Nürnberg, 1497". We would change the name to one of these forms, but this would be a major change which the submitter does not allow.

Morgan MacDuff. Badge. Sable, in fess a skull enflamed between a pair of hands inverted couped argent.

This badge is returned for conflict with the badge for Kira Linn of Mountain Island, (Fieldless) A heart between and sustained by two hands inverted argent. There is a CD for adding the field but nothing for changing one of three co-primary charges. Nor is there a CD for conjoined hands vs. non-conjoined hands. If this same design is resubmitted, it should be drawn (and colored) such that the hands are clearly conjoined to the skull or are clearly separated from the skull.

This is clear of the badge for Ordo Famuli (Barony of Stromgard), (Fieldless) A pair of hands appaumy wrists outwards maintaining between them a roundel argent.. There is a CD for adding the field. There is another for the number of charges: the roundel in the barony's badge is clearly a maintained charge.

This is not "slot-machine heraldry", which is defined as the use of more than two types of charges in the same charge group. The flame is not a separate charge; it is more similar to a crown or a hat. As ruled in the registration of the device for Fabio Ventura (January 2008), the addition or removal of a hat is worth no difference, though in some cases it may be considered half the charge and thus may contribute to a tincture difference. As the flame and skull do not represent two distinct but conjoined charges, there are only two types of charges in the primary charge group: the hands and the enflamed skull.

Ni'ma al-'Aliyya. Name.

This is returned for lack of documentation of Ni'ma as a feminine name in our period. The LoI cited Salahuddin Ahmed, Dictionary of Muslim Names, for Ni'ma. This book is essentially a baby-name book; it contains almost no dates and many names which were invented after our period. It is not acceptable as the sole source of documentation for a name element.

The name Ni'ma is properly transliterated Ni`ma. In Arabic, ` and ' represent different letters, and the two symbols cannot be used interchangably. Ni`ma was used in our period as a masculine name; Loyall found an eleventh-century Sicilian `Al{i-} b. Ni`ma Ibn al-Haww{a-}s '`Al{i-} son of Ni`ma son of al-Haww{a-}s'. However, Ni`ma would not be registerable with the byname al-'Aliyya, because al-'Aliyya is feminine and Arabic bynames must agree in gender with the given name. As the submitter desires a feminine name and does not allow major changes (such as changing the gender of an element), we are returning this. The submitter may be interested in the similarly pronounced feminine name Najma, which appears in Juliana de Luna, "Arabic Names from al-Andalus".

Additionally, the documentation shows the byname as al-`Aliyya, not al-'Aliyya. If the submitter wishes to use this byname in a future resubmission, it should be spelled al-`Aliyya.

Her device was registered under the holding name Sabrina of Granite Mountain.

Rachel Ter Khorenatsi. Name.

This is returned for lack of documentation. The only documentation submitted for the construction Ter X in Armenian is a discussion of modern Armenian naming practices; no evidence was provided that this construction was used in period, which is required for registration.

Additionally, the given name was submitted via the legal name clause, but no proof of her legal name (either a copy of an ID document or a statement from a herald who witnessed such document) was provided. If the submitter wishes to resubmit Rachel, documentation needs to be provided that Rachel is part of her legal name or that it was used before 1600 in a culture compatible with the chosen surname.

Her device was registered under the holding name Rachel of Atenveldt.

Robert de Curry. Name.

Conflict with Robert de Kari. Though Kari and Curry are significantly different in spelling, they are too close in sound: "by long-standing precedent, the change of a single vowel is not a sufficient difference between two names" [Darchester, Shire of, 04/2003 LoAR, R-Caid].

Seamus mac Raibert. Name.

This is returned for administrative reasons: No summary of the documentation was provided on the LoI, and no name submission can be considered without a proper summary. Because this is an administrative return, we are explicitly not addressing the registerability or authenticity of the name at this time.

His device was registered under the holding name James of Windale.

Thomas Cyriak Bonaventure. Device. Gules, a chevron between a mullet of eight points and a cannon mounted in a ship's carriage, a bordure Or.

This device is returned for conflict with the device of Frae Fitzalleyne, Gules, issuant from a chevron, a demi-dragon rampant, in base a cinquefoil, all within a bordure, all Or. There is a single CD for changing the type of secondary charges. Even though Frae's dragon is issuant from the chevron, it is still a secondary charge. No difference is granted for the fact that it is conjoined to the chevron while Thomas's mullet is not. Nor is there a CD for changing the number of secondary charges. The cannon in its carriage is considered a single charge, thus both devices have only two secondary charges.

Thome Spyle Syngere. Device. Per pale sable and argent, a skeleton statant facing to sinister maintaining a recorder and a skeleton statant to dexter maintaining a lute, all counterchanged.

This device must be returned as it appears to be impaled arms. As ruled in the December 2007 Cover Letter, "if a divided field contains the same type of charge in each portion, and those charges maintain the same [type] of charge, then the maintained charges do not contribute to the appearance of marshalling." The ruling goes on to give a counter-example of Quarterly sable and argent, in bend a lion Or maintaining a sword argent and a lion Or maintaining a halberd argent, where the different types of maintained charges do yield the appearance of marshalling. Similarly, in the submitted device, although the primary charges on either side of the per pale line are the same type (skeletons), their maintained charges differ. Thus, the maintained charges do contribute to the appearance of marshalling and are cause for return of the device.

Umm Ma'bad Amirah al-Zahra bint al-Azhar 'Abd al-Aziz ibn Malik al-Mansur. Name.

There are two problems with this name. First, in Arabic names, laqabs (descriptive bynames) do not precede the isms (given names). Since al-Azhar is being used as a laqab, it needs to follow the ism 'Abd al-Aziz. Second, the byname al-Mansur is a regnal name, used only by kings. Its registration is not allowed because it is an implicit claim to rank and so violates RfS VI.1 Presumptuous Names: Names Claiming Rank. The ism Mansur is found in Da'ud ibn Auda, "Period Arabic Names and Naming Practices"; its use is not presumptuous as its use was not restricted to kings. We would change the name to Umm Ma'bad Amirah al-Zahra bint_'Abd al-Aziz al-Azhar ibn Malik ibn_Mansur in order to correct these issues, but the submitter does not allow major changes.


The following has been pended by the College of Arms until its March 2009 meetings:


Micahel Corey. Device. Per saltire azure and gules, in pale a pheon inverted within and conjoined to an annulet, and an anchor fouled with its line Or.

Blazoned on the LoI as Per chevron azure and gules, in pale a pheon inverted within and conjoined to an annulet, and an anchor fouled with its line Or, the field is actually per saltire. Only one commenter noted this issue, so we are pending this for further research. Commenters are asked to specifically address the issue below.

The issue was raised by the LoI and by commenters whether or not this violates section VIII.1.a of the Rules for Submission (Tincture and Charge Limit) by having three charges in the same charge group. We routinely treat armory such as the hypothetical Argent, a pheon within an annulet sable as a primary charge (pheon) and a secondary charge (annulet). The precedent

[Returning Per chevron gules and sable, in chief two dragonflies and in base a lily of the valley Or within an annulet argent.] Technically this violates RfS XIII.1.a by having three different types of charge in what is considered to be a standard type of arrangement. [4/94, p.17]

treats the hypothetical Argent, a fess between three pheons each within an annulet sable as armory with a primary charge (fess) and six secondary charges (pheons, annulets) with the secondary charges being in the same charge group.

In this submission, the question is whether the annulet is in the same charge group as the pheon and the anchor. If it is, then this will have to be returned as "slot-machine heraldry" for having three or more charges in the same group. However, that interpretation differs from how we would treat the pheon/annulet combination if they were the only charges on the field.

We ask commenters to consider the following questions:

  • Should we continue to treat a widget within an annulet as a primary charge and a secondary charge when they are the only charges upon the field?

  • When present as secondary charges, should a widget within an annulet be considered two secondary charges in the same charge group or two groups of secondary charges?

  • When present as part of a primary charge group, should a widget within an annulet be considered as co-primary charges with the other charges in that group?

  • Does the answer to the prior question depend on the charges? Specifically, would Argent, two pheons each within an annulet be treated the same way as Argent, in pale a widget and a pheon within an annulet?

  • Do these answers apply only to annulets, or do they apply to other surrounding charges, such as laurel wreaths?

Tatiana Verlioni. Name change from Marguerite Bouchard.

The given name Tatiana was documented as the name of a 3rd C martyred saint. In order for a given name to be registered under the saint's name allowance, evidence must be provided that the saint was known in a culture which is compatible with the byname. The byname Verlioni was documented as Italian, but the only culture that was found where the saint was known in the Middle Ages was Russian. Paul Wickenden, Dictionary of Russian Names 3rd ed., s.n. Tat'iana dates Tatiana to 1500. However, if the given name is documented as Russian, this means that the name combines Italian and Russian. This combination of languages has not yet been ruled on, so we are pending this name to allow the College to research whether there was the significant contact between Russian- and Italian-speakers required for registerability.


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