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                                                                                                                                                              1 August 2001, A.S. XXXVI

                                                                                                                                                              Kingdom of Atenveldt

Unto Their Royal Majesties Gallchobhar and Haley; Mistress Magdelen Venturosa, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald!

This is the August 2001 internal Atenveldt Letter of Intent. It precedes the external LoI that will contain the following submissions, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. You are encouraged to comment upon these submissions, whatever your experience level. Please have your comments to me on the submissions being considered for the 1 September LoI by 25 August. I accept online commentary:


Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used!) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too:

Consultation Table: There will be a Consultation Table at the Atenveldt Arts and Sciences Competition on 4 August. If you know potential submitters with “special needs” (name sources in uncommon languages, regional armory) who are attending the event and wish to consult, let me know so I can bring appropriate references. Please encourage folks who have had submissions returned to consult, so resubmissions can be undertaken. You are always invited to participate at the Table–even if you think you aren’t skilled, you will be surprised how you can help and what you might be able to learn.

The following appear in the 1 August 2001 Atenveldt Letter of Intent (these were moved forward in consideration, in the event that there is a deluge of submissions from the Arts and Sciences Consultation Table):

Ceara inghean uí Bheirichtir (Sundragon) : NAME RESUBMISSION, Laurel June 2001

The previous name submission Ciara inghaen uí Bleithir, was returned for no documentation of the patronymic; misspelling of the participle; and use of a modern Anglicisation of a Latinisation of Ciar, Ceara or Ciarnait. The submitter has followed the CoA’s suggestions as to remedying the name. The name is Irish Gaelic. Ceara is a more modern spelling of the female given name Cera (p. 50, Ó Corráin and Maguire). Beirichtir is also found in Ó Corráin and Maguire, p. 30. According to Sharon Krossa’s “Quick and Easy Gaelic Names” (, the standard way to form a woman’s name using an Irish clan affiliation byname is <single given name> inghean uí<eponymous clan ancestor’s name (in genitive case and always lenited)>, which means for the submitter, Ceara daughter of a male descendant of Beirichtir. We think that the spelling change ofBheirichtir to show the genitive lenition is correct.

Elzbieta Rurikovna (Tir Ysgithr): DEVICE RESUBMISSION (change of device in submission)

Argent, a cross formy, on a chief azure three crosses formy argent.

Her name submission appears in the 1 May 2001 Atenveldt Letter of Intent.

She asks that her current device submission, Per pale azure, ermined argent, and argent, ermined azure, a cross formy counterchanged ., which appears in the 1 May 2001 Atenveldt LoI, be withdrawn from consideration.

Heinrich von Swartzenberg (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per pale azure and argent, a lion couchant contourny guardant Or maintaining a sword gules, an orle of Maltese crosses counterchanged.

The name is German. Heinricus is found in “German Given Names 1200-1250,” by Talan Gwynek ( The author notes in the Introduction that it is unlikely the Latin forms of the name was used in everyday life and suggests the “element -ricus most often represents -rich (e.g. Heinrich from Heinricus).” Correspondence from the Academy of Saint Gabriel comments that several places in medieval Germany were called Schwarzberg of Schwarzenburg, and that by the end of the 13th C. (the submitter desires a German name 11th-13th C.), spellings beginning with Swartz- are also possible. This spelling of one of several German placenames seems reasonable. (

Jennen the Cooper (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Vert, a chevron rompu and on a chief argent, two turtles tergiant fesswise vert.

No documentation was provided with the name (grrrrrr). I couldn’t find Jennen in this spelling as a given name. However, the English surname Jennens is related to the surname Jennings, which comes from Norman given names seen in Janyn le Breton (1332) and Jenyn de Fraunce (1379); both of these are found in Reaney and Wilson, p. 196 (under Jennings). I am submitting the name “as is,” and since the submitter permit spelling changes to be made, the given name might be altered slightly to a documented, period form. The byname Cooper is fine, as an occupational byname (p. 82 , Reaney and Wilson), and it is also the submitter’s legal surname.

Rurik Levushka Ul’yanov (Tir Ysgithr): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, February 1998

Ermine, a lion dormant contourny gules, a bordure azure.

The original submission, Leonide Rurikov Dainiovich, was returned for name documentation and construcion problems. This name is Russian as well. Rurik was the ruler of Novgorod c. 860, when the Varangians began settling the Russian and Ukranian States, according to The Russian Primary Chronicle ( Levushka is a diminutive of Lev , found in “A Dictionary of Period Russian Names”, by Paul Wickenden of Thanet ( ). Ul’ianov is the patronymic form of Ul’ian, itself a variant of Iul’ian, also found in “A Dictionary of Period Russian Names”. The slight spelling variation is hopefully a reasonable one. The practice of baptismal name + common/everyday name + patronymic is cited in the Introduction of “Paul Goldschmidt's Dictionary of Russian Names - Grammar ” ( ).

The original armorial submission, Ermine a lion dormant to sinister gules., conflicted with. Glanwyn Ty Meillionen, Ermine, an African lion cub couchant guardant gules, in its teeth the stem of a four leafed shamrock vert. There was only 1 CD for reversing the orientation of the feline. Adding the bordure eliminates the conflict with the armory cited.

Saint Felix, College of (University of Arizona): CHANGE OF DEVICE and CHANGE OF BADGE RESUBMISSION, Kingdom June 2001

Per pale gules and azure, a scroll bendwise argent, ribboned sable, within a laurel wreath Or.

(badge) Per pale gules and azure, a scroll bendwise argent, ribboned sable.

These submissions were returned for lack of a populace consent form. The form has now been provided. If these are registered, the College’s currently held arms and badge is to be released.

Selim Murad (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Azure, three crescents in annulo, horns to center, one and two, Or.

Selim was the name of three Ottoman Turkish sultans (Selim I, 1467-1520, Webster’s Biographical Dictionary). This might also be related to the Arabic masculine name Salim, found in “Arabic Naming Practices And Period Names List,” by Da'ud ibn Auda ( ). Murad is the name of a river in eastern Turkey, which, with the Kara River, forms the Euphrates ( ) , so this could be considered a locative byname. Murad III was also a Turkish sultan, the son of Sultan Selim II ( I don’t know if the combination of these names is “too close” or could be construed as presumptous, the submitter claiming to be either Selim II, or Murad III.

The blazon is rather inelegant, but I want to convey the orientation of the three charges (one and two, rather than a default two and one).

The following also appear in the 1 August 2001 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Andrew of Greyhorse (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE (Quarterly sable and argent, in pale a pair of open shackles and a tankard counterchanged.)

Desideratus of York (Sundragon): NEW NAME AND DEVICE (Argent, a cross purpure between in chief two eagles displayed and two clay pipes palewise sable.)

Dirk van het Muiderslot (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE (Or, a spear interlaced with a longbow fesswise, a bordure azure.)

The name submission appears in the 1 May 2001 Atenveldt LoI.

Sarra del Oke (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE (Vert, in fess three oak leaves Or, in base a rose argent, barbed and seeded Or.)

Willahelm Franz Kesselheim (Sundragon): NEW NAME

The following submissions were returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds for further work, August 2001:

Noblefields, Incipient Shire of (Prescott Valley, AZ): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Azure, two antelopes combattant, in chief a laurel wreath Or, and a base barry wavy Or and azure.

It was the consensus of the people at my meeting that the placename could be justified as an “ownership” name, these fields or this farm belonging to the Noble family (Noble being a 12th C. English surname.

However, I am lacking paperwork and fees for the name part of the submission, in addition to a populace consent form if it is the intention of the group to petition to become an official S.C.A. group (rather than a household). If the folks wish to stay a household, this would need to be registered as a badge, and be registered to an individual (his/her name being registered, or at least in submission, to the CoA), as is the case for all household groups. Additionally, the base needs to have a few more bands of azure and Or to make it accurately barry wavy, and again, if the group wishes to remain a household at the present time, the laurel wreath would have to be removed from the armory.

RETURNED for name form and fees; questions as to the desired status of the group.

Willahelm Franz Kesselheim: NEW DEVICE

Quarterly sable and argent, in pale a fire arrow fesswise, point to dexter, and a spoon and a fork crossed in saltire counterchanged.

I mentioned my concerns with this design in the July IloI. Asall charges are co-primaries (of equal weight), this might be construed as slot-machine heraldry, the use of three non-identical charges in an arrangement that would, in period, almost always be occupied by three identical charges. Also, the charges crossed in saltire, the spoon and the fork, might run afoul of the prohibition on the use of two similar but non-identical charges on them. I think the first concern would be the one that the CoA would use if this were to be returned. The more thought I gave this, the more I am convinced that the CoA would return this based on non-period arrangment of charges upon the field. I would suggest changing the spoon and fork to either two spoons or two forks. That reduces the number of types of primary charges to two: the arrow and a kitchen utensil. The other alternative is to use a counterchanged chief and “push” the per fess line up toward the chief to achieve it; the arrow is a narrow enough charge that it would lie nicely on the chief, and because it is on the chief, it becomes a tertiary charge. As a result, again there are only two primary charges, a spoon and a fork.

RETURNED for use of dissimilar charges in a non-period arrangement.

The following submissions were registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms at its June 2001 meeting:

Caiterina of Ballyhooly. Name.

Geneviève de Saint-Cirq-Lapopie. Name (see RETURNS for device).

James of Leslie. Name and device. Purpure, a lymphad argent between three compass stars Or, on a chief argent a cross moline purpure.

Katheline van Weye. Name and device. Quarterly vert and purpure, a tulip slipped and leaved Or.

The device is clear of Uta Boucht, Azure, a water-lily plant eradicated argent, flowered Or. There is one CD for changing the field. An examination of Uta’s device shows that the primary charge is a primarily argent plant with a small Or flower. Therefore, there are additional CDs for changing the type and tincture of the primary charge.

Kiara Wrynn of the Bells. Device. Argent, a chevron rompú throughout between two hawk’s bells and a cross of four mascles pometty vert.

The question was raised in commentary if crosses of mascles were found in period; if not, using a cross of mascles would be a weirdness. Making the cross pommety could be a second weirdness, which would be cause for return. However, as the first issue was not mentioned in the previous Laurel return, this device is registerable.

The following submissions were returned by the College of Arms, June 2001, for further work:

Ciara inghaen uí Bleithir. Name.

No documentation was submitted for the patronymic, except that a similar name was registered in 1986 and 1988. Since the College could not find documentation for the element and since no evidence was provided that the submitter belongs to the immediate family of either of the earlier registrants, we have to return this. The submitter might wish to consider Beirichtir instead of Beithir. The documentation for the given name was similarly a simple reference to prior registrations. However, Ciara appears to be a modern Anglicisation of a Latinisation of either Ciar, Ciarnait or Ceara. Finally, please note that the particle is properly spelled inghean .

Geneviève de Saint-Cirq-Lapopie. Device. Purpure, a sun Or eclipsed by a moon in her plentitude azure between three compass stars argent.

The device contains two similar but not identical charge types on the field: suns and compass stars. This has been disallowed for some time as the combination reduces the distinctiveness and thus the identifiability of both charges. As with other forms of eclipsing, a sun eclipsed of a moon in her plenitude is registerable (as the equivalent to on a sun a moon in her plenitude) but a discouraged practice.

I remain,

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

c/o Linda Miku

2527 East 3rd Street

Tucson AZ 85716

Atenveldt Submissions Website:


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Morgan, T. J. and Prys Morgan. Welsh Surnames. Cardiff, University of Wales Press, 1985.

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Withycombe, E.G., The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, 3rd Edition. London, Oxford University Press, 1977.

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